To start things off, Jim Norton and Matt Serra are joined by welterweight veteran and friend of the show Kevin Lee ahead of his …
the one thing that we had said was that if there is an advantage coming in here for Kevin Lee it is in his striking and I feel like I’m really starting to find myself a little bit and it’s time to show these people [Applause] [Music] thank you welcome to UFC on Phil did we started already but I had the wrong color background not important Matt it’s good to see you important sorry it’s Monday I had uh Phoenix on Wednesday and it’s just good to see you okay how was uh how is Rogan I saw your picture I’m coming in hot yeah I’m gonna slow it down I’m gonna slow it down because I gotta just tell you I like the gold in the background because first of all Let Me Tell let me it feels like to me now I know how you feel but to me Jimmy it feels like yesterday that it was the 600th episode that’s right 700. they have another 100 episodes but it would be funny if you said that and today was episode 601. It Feels Like Only Yesterday well yeah today is 700 man I’m glad you said it because I actually would have forgotten I would have forgotten also but um it is wild though I know you’re no man you write that saying I I just came up with well it’s weird we do about two a week so if you want to do 700 that’s 350 weeks so when you look at 50 that’s like almost seven years we’ve been doing this podcast isn’t that crazy it’s like seven years I think it’s beautiful I do too it’s great I was you know where I was over the weekend yes where you were in Austin with uh Dana and with uh Joe and Dean Thomas Dana wasn’t there I love Dana Oh I thought it was a look even fight no we didn’t do it looking for a fight oh you know what’s so cool about Dean Thomas a lot of things a lot of things are cool about our friend Dean Thomas but we have each other’s backs you know so like he was he you know he he trains Gillian Robinson and Julian Robinson was just on Rogan so he was talking to Joe Joe goes hey why don’t you come on with Jillian and he goes oh no he goes I want to see my appearance I want to wait when Matt’s going in ah I’ll call him that’s so that’s exactly how it went down so and then when we’re down there I don’t I have a good friend of mine John Rallo he’s a black belt on the Enzo he’s around like he’s like he’s he’s like the white Edwin he’s like two it’s like 290 now he’s a big dude yeah he’s a big guy he owns Ground Control uh Academy and um he has like five schools in in the Baltimore area he used to fight great guy great guy he was in town so he was just hanging out with me he knows Joe he knows Dean so he Joe was like Hey you know let’s get a third mic for Big John I know this is great you know yeah and basically Jimmy what it was uh was just like like four friends just catching up and having a good I had a blast man I had a blast it was so much fun and I think it’s gonna be a fun episode you know my My Philosophy is if I’m having fun I think it’s fine you know that’s what it is what’s on your mug it’s uh Doug Bell why would you like one a nice dug Bell mug look Night of the Living Bell always I thought it looked like a zombie yes Doug Bell not a living bill this is where we differ hey hey I don’t want to say what that stands for know what I’ve been listening to is that a it’s from Machine Gun Kelly and there’s a little uh you know who’s got a part in that is uh my one of my favorites Little Wayne and it is when people when you hear me come to a halt like that no but I’m not saying it’s a hole Jimmy’s giving a double thumbs up meaning that we have a guest in but you know what we might not even have a guest and I just think he doesn’t want to hear about what song I like that’s not true but it wasn’t a haul it was just so you know like when you’re done with the sentence we’ll bring him in Kevin Lee because he’s here I don’t know the hook yet but basically it’s Four A’s and we’re gonna bring Kevin e right now Kevin Lee yeah Kevin Lee yeah Four A’s ready a a a a a a he’s fighting Uh Kevin Lee in here they are fighting on uh see when are they actually fighting it would help if I knew when he was fighting I’m sure it’s here um where is Kevin’s fight days I could just ask I should ask Kevin I hear him oh is he here I’m here I’m here Hey Kevin what’s up buddy yeah flexing look at my guns I don’t even see you could you let us know when there’s somebody in here with us producer there he is yeah prelims this Saturday I’m so dumb I didn’t have the fight date written down it’s the prelims this Saturday of course so that’s great how you doing buddy we couldn’t wait we’re getting ready we we almost there okay well can I be the first to say good to have you back mother Oh wrong arm yeah let’s do it again ready hey uh Kevin Lee let me ask you a question which way to the beach which way is the beach which way is the beach yes sorry sorry yeah I’m gonna I’m gonna bow out of that one I’ll just watch YouTube I’ll do it my say welcome back Kevin Lee come on man this is where you belong I like to hear it I like to hear it especially coming from you I like it you’re right not only not only are you a great fighter you got a personality like you gotta and I believe it’s not a it doesn’t feel forced it’s legit yeah I like your energy I even liked it when I was when you were fighting against my guys like raging out stuff you gotta you’re you’re uh you’re a unique personality that’s what I’ll tell you right that’s a good thing man and you can crack it up and I can really fight I can really fight so yeah for me to prove it girl you know what I mean MSG I want to give you some props I was there live when you fought Greta Gillespie a guy that no one wanted to fight yeah I’m correct I believe you might have been coming off a loss I believe yeah he’s coming off too yeah and man it was an execution yeah and it’s like you it’s like going in you you knew how I don’t wanna I wouldn’t go back to that fight really quick all right let’s do it regular Gillespie where was your head at because you’re fighting Madison Square Garden and was I correct when I said you were coming off a loss it was off too yeah it was an RDA I think RDA yeah all right so tell me now you’re fighting this other kid undefeated yeah where was your head at right there I was scared to death I’m not gonna lie because I knew his level of wrestling especially like like we know like there’s there’s certain guys like I’m a great wrestler but there’s certain guys that are just a step above so I knew if I played into his fight and it was going the way he wanted it to go and and I always kind of relied on my wrestling right but I I knew stepping into his wheelhouse I was scared to death I was scared to death walking out there all them screaming fans you know New York is crazy they don’t give a about you they don’t care they just want to see they want to see blood and I’m like you ain’t seeing my blood today you know so so uh I was good but I think that’s what had me heightened and on a different you know I don’t know I it couldn’t phase me nothing that he threw was gonna face me I was gonna get get up get the job done and I feel like we did it’s funny fear tends to work when I hear Fighters talk about being scared there are times where it works against guys and then it paralyzes them and then like I always think back to uh uh forming uh Joe Frazier uh foreigner like he destroyed Joe Frazier but he was scared of him and that sometimes makes guys I guess just go all out faster however it motivated you it worked yeah I feel like that there is something to that I feel like the guys that are that are bigger and scarier like like when I fall is in Barboza I was scared to death of him too I’m not gonna lie to you like you know you you look at him kick somebody upside the head like crazy and and see his his athleticism his explosiveness like bro you’re gonna end up on a highlight reel if you’re not scared of that man so I feel like those are the fights that kind of I kind of rise to a little bit and I’m scared of this one I’m not gonna lie this kid that I’m fighting on Saturday is 19 fight win streak nobody ever heard of them I don’t I barely knew his last name this week so you know it’s a scary fight to go into he’s strong he big he’s kind of like a comes out almost where he’s aggressive as hell um so yes it’s gonna bring out that same level of of me taking this dead serious and I forgot to even mention when you fought uh Gillespie you were in his backyard he was doing that’s another strike against you mentally where an island guy right yeah people wanted to see me get hurt you know like I said this is New York we talking about they don’t they really don’t give a about you they want to see you get hurt they want to see you carried out on a stretcher and you know he was either gonna be me or him and damn sure wasn’t going to be mean at night they were cheering you though they gave you the props I was there after afterwards oh 100 oh no yeah yeah no I don’t know if they did before or what I I took that out I don’t know if they did before but afterwards they for sure they gave me props I ended up sneaking out through the front door you know this this not many people know that story but because we had Donald Trump in the building the the Secret Service kind of closed everything off people had to stay behind uh uh you know they they kind of kept you all in one room me and my team and for us we We snuck out through the front We snuck out with the people and uh dude literally put me on his shoulders walking outside the front of Madison Square Garden where it all opens up on uh was the 8th Street or whatever it is um and just 20 000 people like cheering this was crazy hopped in the car and dipped off it was it was crazy it was a it was an epic night and Kevin you’re right about this this guy you’re fighting uh who you’re right he’s not a well well-known guy uh uh her dinov is his name and uh he is on a 19 fight win streak uh I think his only loss was a decision it was his second fight yeah and you’re you’re like the you’re the name in this fight by far so like you’re you know you’re a big name so yeah you definitely are smart to take this kid seriously because that’s the type of fight that gets guys in trouble if they don’t approach it right yeah and he and he’s got like a difficult style to deal with and if this fight is even close then then people are are already gonna write me off even more than they already have you know I I’m not stupid like I know what’s going on I I realize that that people are that that they have right written me off that they forgot about me but but I’m gonna make sure I remind them this weekend you know I I stayed in the dark for a reason because I’m going to remind them after this one and if this fight is even close then they’re going to continue to do that but it’s my job to make sure it’s not close I’m gonna make sure I go out there now spark Sparkle I mean look we we talk about fighting in front of Madison Square Garden right the the mecca of all meccas and then now that this fight is is on a prelimit at UFC Apex let’s be clear like that that’s a lot of pressure that’s a lot of pressure and I I kind of I’m gonna rise to that pressure I’m gonna meet the pressure with the pressure and uh yeah I’m gonna come out the victory I’m gonna come out stronger I’m gonna come out better and I’m gonna show people who I am sometimes you know that scene from Eight Mile when uh what’s his name that would be rabbit’s friend’s name the one that was a little slow who shot himself uh Cheddar Bob he comes in he goes yo first round is Universe look at least lickety-split and he goes I don’t give a who it is he wasn’t even looking at you he didn’t give a that’s that’s how I feel you are right now like you got lickety split the who it is yeah yeah whoever it is will get it yeah I don’t care who watch it I don’t care who’s out there I don’t care who’s in the building is is whoever I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna do my thing I don’t know if you said eight mile because because I’m from Detroit but but I appreciate it yeah yeah yeah you know what that’s so yeah I did that that’s why I did it yeah that is a great movie though I want to ask about the preparation for this fight uh you would you or you would Dewey Cooper and the boys or where you working so Dewey’s still gonna be in my corner you know that’s my right hand man but but I’m down there in Kill Cliff I’m down there in Florida now I’ve been living down in Florida for like the last year and a half had me a son down there um congratulations yeah yeah my first one’s all right I’m a newfound Papa uh I’m down there in Florida kicking it with all these top welterweights you got 20 guys that are all in the UFC in the gym um Camaro uzman Ian Gary uh is you know I can keep going and going Legion Liang is is is a bunch of guys that I’m out there training with and did you go down towards the end of the pandemic were you one of those guys who just said I’m gonna uproot and move because nothing is going on yeah yeah I ain’t even got a lot to you yeah I needed to switch up uh Vegas can get kind of you know you stay in Vegas too long and it can it can hypnotize you almost I feel like so that that’s what was kind of starting to happen and especially when you talk about the pandemic I felt like I needed something fresh I needed something new uh so it was either Florida or Texas really uh and Florida just yeah Florida had my heart and especially uh you know once I once I had my son I’m like okay yeah all all steps are in the right direction and I feel like I’ve improved a lot I’ve gotten bigger I’ve gotten stronger you know you walk around there with no shirt on the beach is right there every day I gotta Gotta Stay buffed up so people gonna see that in this fight when you are in Vegas I’m always interested in guys who live in Vegas is it hard to stay out of the casinos or just away from The Nightlife because it’s always right there is it difficult not to like let demons kind of because I know I’m very weak and I would have a hard time with it no I wouldn’t the casinos wasn’t hard but but the nightlife is I’m not gonna lie it is kind of like a pressure to to spend the most money to to flash the biggest to flash the hardest especially if you feel like you the man you know and that’s how I’ve always felt I felt like that even when I was 24 before I was really making money so when you really start making money you start flashing and you start doing that that is kind of out the ordinary you wouldn’t necessarily do um I feel like that part is probably where where Vegas gets is somebody like me you know I don’t I don’t around with the casinos and stuff too much I kind of learned my lesson but uh as far as like flashing The Nightlife and doing a little extra yeah you do that did you also did you want to get out of there too just because Florida is a more normal place like Florida feels Vegas is only Built for one thing and then a community sprung up outside of it but Florida is like a a a legit place that people have lived in it just seems like more of a real place yeah yeah exactly more real you know like the people are real people tell you how they feel straight up I feel like Vegas kind of is a little bit like a lay almost yes it’s it’s like a lot of people are acting you know what I mean so even when you even when you meet them and you see them they’re not really giving you them and when I first stepped in Florida it’s like oh no this is how this really is like there’s not no no I’m putting on a smile just to just to you know kind of pacify you a little bit I feel like that’s kind of where where Vegas is getting to a lot of people are coming up from LA and they bringing over that culture to it but but I I miss the realness of of being in the hood a little bit being in a you know in a real around real people so it kind of brought out the real me yeah yes because Vegas is similar to LA and any place people are going to make it like they want to make it in show business or they want to make it financially or even in Show Business in Vegas it’s a weird vibe to be around people who are there for the central thing that that state offers it’s just weird yeah yeah yeah you’re right you’re right no doubt yeah yeah you’re doing it right though yeah it’s me because you it’s age-appropriate man you spent your Twitter in your 20s you spent your time in Vegas 30 now you’re in Florida you know you have a kid I mean this is it’s like the next chapter of your life yeah when you turn 30 which by the way is still young as I’d almost feel a little weird when I turned 30 it felt a little weird I’m never being like I’m not my 20 30s yeah yeah yeah yeah but now I’m 49 I’m still not an adult I’m not worried anymore but but now when you turn 30 did it feel weird for you at all it do it do it feel like like I still kind of feel like my old self I still kind of feel 16 but but then you’re like man I’m a grown ass man bro like I’m a grown ass man like you can’t tell me like I’m the one giving out the orders now like I’m the one that’s that’s in in and the good thing is it made me hold myself accountable now like I don’t have nobody to to to to to answer to I gotta answer it to me so it’s like it makes you cut off all the it makes you cut out all the excuses like nobody cares bro you’re you’re 30 years old nobody gives a about your problems we all got problems everybody life is difficult and they’re going through they don’t give a bro like if you’re gonna contribute or you’re gonna lay down and die it’s gonna be one or the other and for me I’m gonna contribute and I’m gonna show my heart and it really I can’t I feel like it gave me a a a fuller sense of purpose in myself I don’t know if that’s me being 30 or if that’s me having a kid it could be a combination of both but yeah 30 is a is is a weird age I definitely I feel grown man and he not gonna be able to play with me this weekend how old is your son he’s a grown ass man I’m in there with sorry oh sorry how old is your son he’s six months right now oh wow really really young how did that change because people who have their first uh kid a lot of times they say that some type of a change happened or it changed the way they saw things and how was that for you it made me not give a about nothing else except for him you know and it made me realize like what’s really important in life like like I was saying earlier with with Vegas and you want to kind of show off you want to kind of you want to kind of you know prove that you are the man I don’t feel like I got to prove anything no more like my son’s healthy he’s good he’s got food on his table I I need to put more food on this table this weekend but as long as that’s there and that’s settled like I feel just okay wherever I’m at I can sit wherever in any room and feel okay yeah I’m all right I always got my son in the back of my head I don’t need none of this other I don’t really give a about I don’t give a about nothing else to be honest with you like I I care so much about this one thing that everything else kind of is just play it’s it’s just it falls in the wait line do you start thinking oh sorry Matt do you start thinking because Matt you know this too again I I don’t have kids when you have a kid do you start thinking about wow whatever I do now I’m representing myself and he’s gonna see this where she’s going to see this do you start thinking about like what their impression of you is going to be in 10 years when they Google you or whatever it is um not that they’re gonna see it you know I don’t I don’t I don’t think about that too much like oh he’s gonna watch my old fights or anything like that but he don’t feel it you know he’s gonna feel it from me like one thing I knew growing up like I didn’t really listen to my parents but I watched everything that they did so if my dad telling me okay you got to get up and you got to work and he was laying around then bruh like what I’m not like you know you’re gonna tell me that but you’re not gonna do it so when I need to tell him okay you got to push yourself you got to challenge yourself you got to go against the the Grain and go against the odds and and kind of not and follow your own life path that God is setting for you I gotta do that for you know I can just say it like I gotta do it I gotta really put my life on the line I gotta really go out there and and fight these tough ass dudes that that to other people it seems like a stupid fight but to me this is the the the path for me and I gotta do it because that’s the only way he’s gonna feel it it’s not so much you know like you said like it am I doing it because he’s gonna see it and he’s gonna try and emulate it no he’s gonna feel it he’s gonna feel it off of me and when I’m when I’m 49 like Matt he gonna he gonna know like bro when I was 30 I used to be the you know you ain’t no yeah man Hey listen and you’re ahead of the game the old all the experience you you got uh the timeline I was 32 when I got the title dude you’re you’re ahead of the game man you got the you got the brains of the uh you have the your fight I accused where it should be your skill sets there you’re ready to shine Kevin Lee yeah I’m ready I’m ready to go on my next thing I’m ready to go on the next run I’m ready to get back to the top it’s gonna be a long climb but one step at a time I’m gonna get back up there fighting the Charles oliveiras again fighting fighting the Leon Edwards fighting these big guys so yeah I’m ready for that Kevin it was good talking to you we have our next guest is waiting but uh I’m really happy you’re back and uh it’s good to see you and you seem like you’re in a great place so uh you know I’m sure you’ll have great success this uh this Saturday against uh uh dinov and uh have a good fight man we’ll talk to you again welcome back yes sir appreciate the words too Sarah appreciate that all right Kevin take him out man bro all right take care man [Music] foreign [Music] he seems like he’s in a great uh a great place too and our next guest uh Laird Hamilton a very interesting guy uh big influential Surfer and there’s a lot of breathing and training methods that I want to just ask him about his more breathing methods because my breathing is so yeah you’re trying to change your breathing methods you better be I just want to breathe better like I’m always out of breath and I’m you know half of it is not breathing don’t be holding your breath when you’re going for your arm locks or you’re doing that they all I’m telling you Mike tells me that and Jamie tells you that you got to breathe you got to breathe I’m not even just told me that I know you’re holding your breath I’m not even there I know it that’s all right but I’m doing better with it though I’m I’m doing better like I’m definitely not a Kimura Savage but I would say I’m a uh uh a Kimura gentleman I was uh they were showing me I was learning some uh Kimora techniques and of course I thought of you the whole time and I’m I still I really suck at it but I I see why it would really hurt somebody my buddy my kid Tommy and you know Tommy and Marcus fought over the weekend that I didn’t get to talk to you about that no you did not well I need to talk to you about that after we talked to Larry I will hey Laird how you doing hey how’s it going guys how are you lared oh thank you I’m obsessed with your 3D issues you’re blurring out the background so it just feels like you’re in like a like uh like what is it like one of those like Sci-Fi movies well you know I got a bunch of pictures of my family I don’t want to I don’t want you to see them in a you know we don’t want it weird nice to meet you man thank you you’re a surfer obviously uh and I’m I’m fascinated by you guys it just seems like such a terrifying way to exercise um how long have you been doing that and uh do you train in the martial arts at all I started surfing uh before I could remember my mom my mom said I could swim before I could uh before I was walking um but I don’t know about that I I could crawl the pool and swim around I’m starting surfing uh I’m almost 60 now so I’ve been probably surfing you know at a decent level for you know 50 something years and uh and I have I do have some I mean I grew up in Hawaii uh which is a pretty uh aggressive uh culture so I grew up around a lot of violence and and I and I have uh kind of been exposed to different martial arts over the years um I always say hurting people is pretty easy um you know that’s it’s it’s it’s it’s helping them it’s more difficult but uh but yes I I do have some experience uh in martial arts I think Max Holloway told us that Matt about because you think of Hawaii we you know we see the Taurus side of it and you don’t realize that there are some areas that can get pretty rough in Hawaii yeah we’ll just we’re just at a you know Hawaiians who are uh Warrior culture so you grew up in a warrior Warrior culture and and and then and then they’re massive so that doesn’t you know Tongan Samoan Hawaiian the Polynesians are some of the largest people in the world just so that alone creates um some difficulty and then and then and then culturally super you know aggressive I mean I the high school I went to was third in the nation for crime and violence so we had a lot of a lot of it was East L.A the Bronx and then the school I went to and and so there’s a lot of I mean you just you you know you you grow up uh just making sure that your back is against the wall so you can see what’s coming you have it extra because of your appearance like you always see the you always see the the movies or you see some stuff on the social media or in the past or whatever just clips of they call them the Howley it’s like even though you know I believe you grew up there did you ever get mistaken as hey look at that guy he doesn’t look like just when you go down the wrong as soon as you go down the wrong Street you’re you’re back to you know I mean they know you in your neighborhood but you know when you’re when you look like a descending the Captain Cook uh you know they don’t really love their their you know uh they don’t love that but you know I I think growing up I had some incredible Hawaiian friends but if you go if you go down the wrong the wrong road you’re just you’re just another you know another white uh uh guy who they’re not too stoked about what part of Hawaii did you grow up in and by the way I think when you said you were almost 60 Matt and I both kind of look like how the are you on whatever you do you look incredibly healthy and young and neither one of us I I grew up on Kauai I lived on all the islands I lived on Oahu I’ve lived on the big island I lived on Maui for 20 years um my home island is Kawhi the Garden Island um and so and so I’ve lived on all those islands I also live in California uh part-time uh our our part you know half half the year my wife and I kind of to be together we we would migrate I would be in California for half the year and then my our season for the big Surfers and the winter uh during this like during the winter so I would go back to Hawaii for the Big Surf and then uh and then be in California and kind of deal with her volleyball and that and and a lot of training we’re exposed to a lot of stuff I get a lot of um Fighters coming through uh our our home and and uh and and so I get exposed to a lot of a lot of athletes uh and then and a lot of like military military guys um come and kind of play with us I would I would describe it and what about I I read something about your breathing I don’t know much about it but you teach like breathing techniques or what exactly is about your breathing that’s because for me breathing is this thing that I’m never doing right um and I think who was it Matt which Gracie is is it uh Hixson who we spoke to who who’s talking about his breath and breathing stomach moving in and out and you know it’s funny because in the movie The Hulk with Edward Norton has to do with this they actually have he hitting Gracie in there trying to teach him to control his rage and they show him sitting down doing the thing with the belly and then giving him a smack this evening anyway but that’s the thing do you know what we’re talking about the breathing method yeah no I I do I I mean listen when you when you’re evolved around the water uh air is important so you know and you deal with uh you know any kind of high performance athlete it’s all about breath I mean we all are are we all have issues with our breathing some somewhere in the last couple hundred years we started breathing through our mouths and not through our noses and and and so there’s and there’s a lot of different uh types of breath work there’s a lot of different uh uh you know different there’s plenty there’s ways that you know I told somebody if you understand what the hakka is you know the haka you know when they the the the the the New Zealander All Blacks you know they have the hawk up right the hakka is that is the breath the breath the Channing that they do before a rugby match so I love that okay so but but that actually is pre-battle prep preparation breath so what they’re doing is is that before the before they’re gonna fight they do a pattern in order to to Jack the metabolism up to be able to so it’s like three battle it’s a it’s free fight it’s like a pre-fight routine where they’re and and they they talk about intimidation but if I told somebody like if you hear a lion roar in the jungle or or you know he’s letting everybody know through his breath that he’s got power like he and so I mean you know in martial arts you have the key eye and so all of this stuff I mean a lot of obviously our endurance comes through our breathing but so does our power uh comes through our our breath as well so I mean we deal with a bunch of different patterns we deal with ones to to to calm you down recover quickly like let’s say between rounds you want to do go into a certain pattern to really bring your bring your metabolism down and then also you can do patterns that Jack you up and and and you know and there’s there’s a lot of I mean the monks do it for meditation I mean breath work is limit Limitless uh when it comes to Performance you can do patterns that help you deal with altitude so uh our uh you know we deal a lot of I mean I I like to dabble in stress just because the ocean and the water and big waves and obviously fighting uh these are stressful things the heat stressful the cold stressful so when you become stress acclimated uh I think that it it overlaps in any field that you’re in it doesn’t anything to do with stress if you become more stress tolerant your breath is a big piece of being stress tolerant uh and and and you know I I don’t I don’t know anybody that doesn’t benefit from becoming more stress tolerant that’s amazing it just I never thought of that I thought it was more tradition when you seen like I believe Mark hunt like one time before he went to a fight he had a bunch of the guys in the gym they do the whole that doll I don’t know what the hell the Haka Shaka what was that a Haka yeah so they’re doing the uh and I thought it was more of a pump up like a 300 speech I’m like oh yeah getting them amped up but the BR I never thought of it like a warm-up for fast yeah well there’s a physio there’s a physiological thing happening when you’re doing that you’re scrubbing the CO2 and you’re oxygenating the system so you’re gonna be you’re you’re gonna you’re gonna benefit from that you’re gonna come in you’re gonna come in in a better State you’re going to be ahead of the curve because you’re going to get behind the curve anyway but the sooner you get ahead the further ahead of it you are and the longer you stay there I mean it it’s gonna it helps your cardio it helps your endurance I mean there’s there’s nowhere you don’t benefit from uh and you know and a lot of the stuff we do in the water uh is is based on uh they’re all breeding patterns so when you get into these limited you know if you know what hypoxic training is but you when you’re training the next thing after cardio is hypoxic which is which is when you’re really like holding your breath while you’re doing cardio activities which really increases your ability to be able to oxygenate your system and you get you get more CO2 tolerant which is just you get more tolerance uh when you’re acidified which is what leads to failure in performance I mean it’s when when guys crash it’s because they just don’t have CO2 tolerance and so whether it’s in a marathon whether it’s in a fight uh whether whether it’s in any sport uh so yeah there’s some cool stuff that that that uh that we’ve learned and continue to learn and and so it’s it’s it’s a you know it’s something that um that that I spend a lot of time uh doing being you know and participating in just because I I benefit from it and then also uh the people that we get exposed to you know get benefit I have two questions for you too Larry before uh one is about my one is uh the first question is give me that that thing that uh the uh hakka that they do how long does that last you said that it kind of gets you ahead of the curve how long does that affect last when you do that and number two I have this thing when I breathe I don’t know if it’s stress or panic but there’s times where I feel like I can’t take a totally deep breath like you know when you take a deep breath the last 15 of it is like that little click that happens where you just know that you’ve filled up your lungs and there’s that little last part that I sometimes feel like I’m hitting a ceiling and not clicking um so those what what do I what can I do to improve attention tension reduces your ability to expand your lung all the way when you know everybody talks about six-pack abs and being all having a super tight ab area the problem is that reduces the volume of air that you can you want strength right in it but you but but the the core stability our core stability comes out of our diaphragm not out of our abs and so in a way when you re when you have tension you don’t expand I told somebody you know the lung is is as flexible as like a it’s like a balloon I mean they say you can stretch along over a you know a tennis court or something it’s so splack uh stretchy but when you when you uh put a put a balloon in a bird cage the the balloon can only expand as big as the cage is so whatever volume you have and a lot of that tension when you have tension and you’re like I you can’t get a breath because everything’s restricting the expansion um of the of the lung itself so that’s a piece of why you can’t get the volume and then and as far as how long that preparation lasts it has to do with first of all how how CO2 tolerant are you and how well are you at preparing like how how much uh you know how oxygenated can you get your system uh in in that and so that and that has that’s a muscle you know that’s a trained muscle they say that a lot of athletes are actually uh don’t have the most efficient cardiovascular systems that they should considering what they do and a lot of it has to do with just CO2 tolerance it’s just your ability to handle handle the the acidity of your system that’s why nose breathing is so important because you reduce the volume and then you get used to higher levels of of acid in your system acidity and how can people like these things that you teach uh is there a way people can can learn this stuff from you like is there a website is there something you’re promoting to I wanna I don’t have in front of me so I want to make sure that if there’s something that you do if there’s a program and of course you offer yeah why but we we do a like a a training uh program that we have but we have online there’s some there’s some uh there’s a breathing app uh xptlife.com xpt is like exploration and performance training but you know if any any athlete any fighter that’s really interested I mean picks and Gracie I mean his his his his work is crazy good Hicks into friend of mine uh you know the I mean listen any any uh I mean there’s so much breathing information out there it’s more about implementation uh than it is I mean and you know of it it’s you know it’s like things are only as good as people wanna you know want to man you know I I have a I have a like a um I I make some nutrition I have layered superfood that that has a bunch of you know good ingredients and uh that make coffee stuff and for performance some energy I make bars and a bunch of other stuff that has has uh super healthy ingredients no no chemicals and stuff but all that all that you know your your body’s ability to deal with oxygen is connected to your overall health and I tell guys I go listen I tell these Young Guns you know you can’t eat like you know potato chips in this potato chips out and you can’t you know fly a rocket uh on on water you got to put rocket fuel in rockets and you know people get away with it when they’re younger because they can they just they got hormones and they’re all jacked up and and and that works for a while but but you gotta you gotta fuel the system correctly and oxygen is the most powerful fuel that we have it’s the most obvious it’s the only one I mean you can not eat for weeks you can not drink water for days but occurred in its minutes and and if you look at any motor you want a motor to go faster just open up the the hood and let more oxygen into the fire and so the RR I mean that that’s the most precious uh resource that we have for energy and as far as fuel goes uh you know I mean that’s for me I I think it all that’s the foundation right is the breathing and also okay I just want to ask you said you have bars you sell those bars like protein bars whatever you were just talking yeah I have some crazy bars I have some crazy super healthy no bad oils so layered superfood um I sell on Amazon I sell on my own side they’re layered superfood I have really good uh like uh caffeinated drink coffee creamers all all plant-based uh like I’ll I’ll own you if you’re a coffee drinker if you’re a coffee drinker and I get a shot at you I’ll own you I have once you get on the on this stuff you won’t want it you won’t want to drink coffee any other way I guarantee it really I’ll send you a box I’ll send you back sold I’ll send you a box I’ll send you a box I make a bunch of different um hydration products but all plant-based no chemicals no bad oils I mean we’re just you know we’re just trying to make things right like you know nature did a perfect job I just don’t I I I just feel like you know it’s in the perfect ratios why would we try to compete with nature I think it’s a mistake uh why not just access what make Nature’s made for us and use that correctly and and you know you and in the long run that will pay off I mean sometimes we’re looking for such immediate fixes we want instantaneous results I mean caffeine will do that but you know we want more instantaneous results and there’s always a price to pay in the in the long run and you just got to decide what way you want to go about it like do you want to are you thinking with the end game are you just thinking like you know how great can I be right now and who cares about tomorrow which is a great philosophy but it it you know I I think you’ll be sad when tomorrow comes and you’re still here and then you got to deal with it right right and also Matt let me give out the website real quick it’s layered habits.com so my name l-a-i-r-d lairdsuperfood.com oh it’s not lairdhamilton.com my first name okay layered superfood we had the wrong one written down superfoods.com to grab that stuff yeah I mean I have an apparel line I have an apparel I have I have listened as an athlete when you’ve been you know when you go through being sponsored since you’re young and then you you promote other businesses and then you get to a certain stage in your life and you kind of you know first of all it’s not easy to authentically promote things that you don’t believe in like I can’t I’m not a good liar so I’m just I end up having to try to make my own things and do my own stuff then I can promote it honestly and be like yeah this stuff is great eat it drink it wear it you know I use it I believe in it kind of philosophy but you know at this point in my career I need to kind of start businesses and not just promote other people’s businesses so I have a you know like I said I have an apparel apparel company I have a uh uh I have a fitness a lifestyle uh Fitness stuff and then I have lyric superfood as well fuel the ride you have a new follower buddy I want those protein bars left I’ll send you a case you’re not gonna they’re not gonna last long you better you’re gonna need a few can I ask you something later about those two because I get I I definitely do not have abs I kind of go back and forth with weight so one thing I’ll eat is a meal replacement I’ll eat RX bars because they’re kind of clean and they’re natural is your stuff kind of like that where it is they’re really even good cleaner yeah it’s cleaner and and I won’t I can’t you can’t make claims about certain things but sure if you get on the if you get on these creamers you’ll you’ll you’ll you’ll find it’ll help you deal with your with your weight it’ll it’ll affect your weight okay if you start using the creamers you’ll definitely find because you get satiated your brain feeds on fat your brain’s a fat eating organ and it and and fat satiates the brain uh and and that has a lot to do with their appetite if you’re not getting satiated you’re just gonna keep consuming because the body doesn’t have what it wants and so that that’s a that’s a vicious cycle right when you’re not eating when you’re not getting satiated so it’s a big piece of that awesome well look man you’re really a very fascinating guy in this breathing I would recommend anybody go to this I actually literally as we’re talking I just went to Amazon and typed in layered superfood so when we get off I’m actually going to look through it and see some of the stuff you have so you just have just have your have your uh your your people send send the address and I’ll send you guys a couple cases of the stuff I I know I mean listen once once you start using the products you’re you’re gonna really uh you’re gonna appreciate it it’d be my pleasure if I could be helpful at any point for any time I it’s part of what I’m doing you know I want to be of service so if I can help Fighters I I like I said I get Fighters come through here uh they get a lot of benefits from some of the stuff that we’re doing just because it’s it’s uh first of all it’s it’s uncomfortable uh unorthodox and it just helps uh the psychology because I think at least my exposure to a lot of the athletes you know it’s a psychological game where the brain goes the body will follow but if there’s no if it’s psychologically you’re not able to go there it doesn’t matter what body you got the body you can have this the greatest body ever and so so body will go far with a powerful mind so I I think there’s a the mental side of it is the biggest kind of area of potential growth and then the body follows because you know how that works well there thanks so much man we’re looking forward to trying that stuff and uh yeah fascinating and uh really really interesting what you do and I hope people go and check it out um and we’d love to talk to you again Aloha thank you guys all right thank you buddy thanks so much [Music] I’m gonna I’m gonna get some of those yeah I am going to go too fascinating I love guys like that who have you can tell by talking to them like he just looks like a much younger than 60 guy and uh obviously is a very very healthy habit so yeah I went to this and I’m going to and to Jake uh if he sends you some stuff maybe you can send a little to me or a little mad or give him both of our addresses however but I’m very interested in some of that stuff um and of course I’d buy some after before we predict sure sure before we predict that let’s keep them in suspense I just want to say because you know again it’s been a minute like the kids say no it’s been a while because Monday I was off yeah and Wednesday come on over a week right no Monday I was off Wednesday you were off oh there you go and uh I’m back now yes we’re back so Jimmy last weekend before I went to go see our friend Joe Rogan and by the way kind of saying if I felt was distracted for a second I got a text from a UFC fighter that I’m buddies with and this irks me and I like the guy nice guy I like and I just and I just texted him back uh and I’m gonna keep it secret who it is it’s not a big deal but dude man hey I get this hey you know I’m doing this for this radio station it’s number one can I know you can you do me a favor can you help me out could you give me Joe’s cell and and I you know I’d appreciate it you know how about this no I tried back no and I’m surprised you asked me that you know what the I love you Matt you you really you you’re the probably the most genuine guy I know I really mean that Jimmy I’m surprised he asked me that he’s apologized and I go all right do I still love you but I can’t be that guy I wouldn’t do that I’m gonna be giving out his salmon I don’t know why would you put me in that position you cannot well here’s what I all do um I will a lot of times say I don’t know if I have this new number because a lot of times Joe changed his number fast anyway and I’ve actually texted Joe before um and hey the so-and-so is asking because I don’t know if it’s somebody he wants to talk to yeah no I know but and then Joe will say either yes or no and then I’ll just go back to the guy and go I don’t have it okay and they don’t block you immediately if you’re bothered not only kidding I just I don’t want to bother nobody you know what I mean because I know I always ask myself this I go would I do that would I ask that guy for that like I don’t know I wouldn’t I would not bother my I wouldn’t here’s a perfect example I wouldn’t bother you to get to Bob Kelly that’s the worst example I would put Bob Kelly’s number on Twitter you could have it I think but uh anyway listen the guy’s a good guy but some people you can’t you can’t just do that I don’t know so back listen back to my guys that fought over the weekend now I’m so proud of them uh now Tommy’s funny uh Tommy uh what is it de Janeiro I think his name is uh he’s Tommy’s he’s like pretty much deaf he’s not all the way deaf but he’s pretty much deaf I told you the story about my coach Colombo she wanted to try to help him be she wanted to try to be a better Coach so she’s learning sign language she tried to do it he goes what the you talking about and she’s like oh I thought you he’s I don’t speak sign language so anyway he’s a wrestling kid he’s getting better with the Striking he had his debut and he totally dominated this kid but what happens in MMA amateur MMA is you can get mounted on somebody or get these dominant positions but you’re not allowed to strike in the face so you got a guy with no shirt and gloves on you’re mounted on them and they’re just clamming up so you can’t it’s like you’re trying to submit them now yes you can’t punch him so it’s actually worse so the kid made it through but Tommy just he put on a wrestling clinic and just had every position he did everything but finished the kid you know yeah so congrats on to Tommy made me so proud I was so happy such a nice kid you know uh and then Marcus now listen Young guess and I don’t mean in a bad way but have you ever seen like Urkel from back in the day a little nerdy yeah yeah you could you maybe make a case that he looks a little erglish he’s he’s kind of like a little nerd but and I I say he would love you know uh he is now 4-0 for real naked jokes the guy he just bought this kid I think it was all day his name was he was a Ryan LaFlare student now Ryan LaFlare is a buddy of mine yeah Long Island MMA guy yep and the guy is uh yeah he trains out of Long Island MMA and uh with Ryan LaFlare in them and they’re a tough I knew they’re a tough team and I know Ryan is is a great trainer and a tough guy and a Gentleman let me just tell you that I love Ryan so I you know I seen him we gave a hug I know we’re gonna be on the opposite sides of the cage um there’s no bad blood there but again now Marcus Marcus it kind of looks like a guy that you don’t like you don’t believe you’re gonna lose to this guy you’re like you know Jimmy he’s like he’s but don’t get me really strong but he just came out he wears the glasses he’s got bad eyesight he’s squinting a lot you can relate a little with that you know he blinks so everybody thinks they’re gonna kick the out of this kid so but he’s so he’s just it’s I don’t know he’s like like I tell him dude you’re living your anime movie dude I love it he went out there and this kid was a legit kid he was he was he tagged him a few times it looked a little scary Marcus got him down and just he got the rear naked choke in the second round almost had it at the end of the first round but it was competitive up until he got that so well it’s like this man and he got the ballot that one you put it on the floor because it was a championship fight so he’s now a champion young Marcus Marcus Reed good for him he’s a uh you know he’s living his anime movie so congrats to him and congrats to Tommy and it’s like when they when Pacino said to Keanu Reeves and devil’s advocate he was like they never see you coming and that’s what a guy like that is like they just don’t see him coming because people look and they go this guy doesn’t look like he’s gonna kick my ass and then he does Institute it’s amazing for the foreign naked jokes Yep this guy he thought was a little was a little uh kooky uh but then after that before the tough tiger shulman’s kid the glass Kitty thought was a a winning kickboxing kid one though is a kickboxer and he fought T3 tough guys in a row this last guy he was very tough I’m gonna say this kid I told this kid uh laflare’s kid all day uh I go hey man look I got my losses stay in there you’re you’re good yeah there’s a different level sometimes like Marcus trains like I dude I had him sparrowed not the bowler a little bit and this one and that he had such confidence and his role and the kid lives at my school he lives on the mats Jimmy you’re doing it now you’re developing it it is it’s Jiu Jitsu is a superpower well I’m never gonna be great at it like sure I was learning a little Kimora you know but uh let me ask you a question I have a Jujitsu question for you yes um can you if someone even if someone’s a lot bigger than you are you able to put a Kimura on them I’ll tell you right now you’re smiling but it is more I’m gonna say it is better it’s more I might have to say more of a big guy move but big guys tend to use the Kimora more but little guys can still use it it’s not you got to get your hips your leg like instead of hipping out to get to the side you use your whole body to weigh down on his hip like your heels going across his back to his other side of his butt you make your leg heavy and you get your ass out and your upper body follows so you got to get your whole body behind that Kimura but having said that big guys tend to really love that Gomorrah yeah you can use it to control passing you could take away single legs from it you could obviously submit with it and break shoulders it’s uh reverse with it up into up and overs from guard which Tommy did use in his fight my kid Tommy got on bottom for a second went for a Kimora didn’t work hips up right two and up and over at the mount so beautiful thing yeah I love it well let’s do a pick before we go uh because right now I I try 700th episode and I’d hate to end it by my pants but I feel that’d be really embarrassing when in our 700th episode let’s go Jimmy uh go ahead you started Strickland against uh Mega Madoff I mean the records are very comparable Sean’s 26-5 uh Mega Man of his 25 four and one and uh Sean is coming off the uh uh the loss to uh Cannon here Split Decision loss and uh potato is a knockout but he looked good against uh imavov I’m gonna take oh God Sean my decision oh really yes hey Sean fourth round stoppage strikes he’s got guns yo he does look on I don’t know if it’s his Instagram I think it might be or I saw it maybe on a clip somewhere he was that uh I think I might have been Curtis a couple of guys like sport in the cage with him coming after him and he’s fighting them both off he’s punching them he’s like they’re trying to take him down and punch him it was hibberish two guys they’re around but he’s he’s really he’s spawn two of them like it’s funny it’s funny yeah it’s like how he would deal with multiple attackers I liked it and let’s do Kevin Lee against uh uh fakwadinov let’s do that the uh the uh that’s the main fight of the prelims um and you know and I’m happy to see Kevin Lee back I think Kevin seems hungry he seems like he’s in a very good place and I’m gonna say Kevin even though he’s fighting a fighter uh fighter you know we found him you did 99 sure we found him on Dana White looking for a fight find that out for me I’m gonna say it is we were over we found him when we were over there I think Kevin I’m gonna give Kevin a decision as well I’m gonna say this guy might be a little hard to submit but I’m going to give Kevin a decision I’m saying the same thing Kevin by decision only because I’m just so happy he’s back and I think he’s gonna answer the call yeah I think so Frederick Leslie fight was the truth you know what I’m saying yes absolutely there’s something else all right Matt well this is a great I’m happy you’re back and happy to chat again and uh I can’t wait to come out and see you on Long Island dude that that’s and keep training because the more fun we’ll have yep oh and then we’ll get off first session in bro I go I try to go at least I do I’m doing a little more tie and and you just I try to go at least four days a week some some weeks I’m doing five days a week but some some the worst I’ve done is three and that’s only if I’m working and I can’t go and you met him so you talked to Enzo he was there Saturday I was uh I was there with Jamie we were gonna do a uh a private upstairs and Jamie Crowder and I uh where we just started and someone came up and he goes to Jim hey Hannah wants to see it downstairs so Jamie’s like I have to go to the boss I’m like yeah no problem so I’m waiting for a minute and then the guy comes back up to me and he goes hey henzo’s gonna give him his black belt if you want to come down so I went down and there was a for the people listening Jamie Crowder is also known as English who was the co-host on here many times many times we love him and he’s a great great instructor too like he’s really and so is Mike charmello those guys are so patient um and you know what they’re they’re very they’re very meticulous about drilling the same thing and showing you the proper movement yeah so I go downstairs and henzo is finishing up a class um and it was a massive class because he had said he was coming in that day and to watch him work the room was really fun and then he saw me and he came over and he was very very welcoming uh and uh you know he’s so happy that I was there and he said make sure you tell Matt I’m gonna come in and see you guys soon I don’t think he knows we’re doing it on Zoom but it was really nice and then uh the class sat down uh after a while and then henzo gave Jamie his black belt and it was very very moving yeah very emotional Jamie was really uh uh touched by it and then henzo was just hilarious and told stories for 10 minutes and he’s really a gifted speaker and and he really knows how to Captivate a room when he talks and you either have that or you don’t he’s got that and uh his all the guy I was talking to your buddy Andrew uh who I know is one of your yeah yeah one of your closest friends everyone there is supportive and I I love that place they’re all great even the other white belts are willing to help you and and all of the the blue bells the black but everybody there is just got a great energy and a great uh Vibe I love it it’s I’m very very happy you’re there training dude and uh oh and also I was right we did find a knot on uh we’re not on looking for a fight oh good good good even that contract in Abu Dhabi and uh so now I’m switching my pick because we found him I’m only kidding Kevin Lee I’m gonna say he’s gonna get a uh your decision all right buddy have a good weekend we’ll watch the fight Saturday night let me quickly plug them properly man it is uh of course Strickland versus mega Madoff and that is uh sorry uh yeah man I’m looking on my side here it’s July the 1st prelims are four o’clock Eastern time the main card is 7 P.M those are both a nice early main card on ESPN ESPN plus so um really high profile fights and enjoy this card this is a great card and I’ll talk to you over the weekend excited about it Jimmy so happy to be back with you brother thank you Laird Hamilton and uh thanks a lot Kevin Lee buddy I’ll see you soon goodbye everyone bye guys [Music] [Applause] [Music]