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On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy … Step aside Ilia Topuria because Khabib Nurmagomedov believes Arman Tsarukyan is the best Lightweight in the world, but do the guys agree? And, Islam Makhachev says he’d rather have a super-fight against Topuria than Khamzat Chimaev, but the guys don’t think that will ever happen. Then, Jon Jones is firing back at DC after being left off his Mount Rushmore of MMA Fighters because of his past with PEDs. DC is clapping back and he’s bringing receipts! And, Jones says he wants to be known as “Forever Champion” and … the guys love it? Then, you do not want to miss what jobs DC & Chael say they’d be doing if they never became Professional Fighters.
0:00 Introductions
2:46 Khabib says Tsarukyan best Lightweight
7:15 Is UFC protecting Topuria?
11:27 Islam doesn’t want to fight Chimaev
15:48 Jones responds to DC’s Mt. Rushmore
21:51 Jones wants to be “forever champion"
23:29 DC to replace Dana White?
27:19 Dream job for the guys
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Video Transcript
This Jon Jones I like. See like this. I like I don't like the whiny little I
like this. [Music]
What's happening guys? Welcome to Good Guy Bad Guy. I'm Chale. He's Daniel. And by the way, there's a thing out there
called Club Shay Shay. great big juiced up football player that you allegedly
told not only could you deal with Bronc, you could replace Dana. Do you care to
elaborate? We're gonna talk about all that as the show goes on. And I'm telling you, we'll get into it deeply. But Ch, first off,
before the show started, you about named one of your prior shows. Just remember, I'm the first black co-host you've had.
So, all you got to do is think that and you know you're on Good Guy, Bad Guy, because the bad guy is the black guy.
And that's me, Daniel Corvier. Chill. Daniel. Daniel, I'm so sorry. When I had when I had my son, who is now 10 years
old, Pharaoh, my neighbor Rick, as a prank, sent out postcards to the whole neighborhood, like you you can buy an
area for 500 bucks. And so, he sends out a picture of me and my wife and a black baby. So, that's like the funniest prank
that I've ever heard of. So, RC's first day at ESPN, as I'm making friends with them, I'm telling
him this story about the postcard and the black baby. And one of the bosses at ESPN who re should re remain unnamed is
doing this to me. Stop. Stop. Stop. No. No. Because it's the baby and the
baby's black. My wife and I are white. Like I'm trying I just kept going and he's like he's just like you're like trying to make you're trying
to make it funny to RC. You're trying to make it funny to RC and it never would get funny to RC. But it's awesome.
That's the beauty. It was cool, man. RC treated me very I must say he was cool about it. It was a
funny story. It's a great story. Ch, you know, uh,
in your mind like when I open the show and I say we're going to talk club Shay and you're like, "Oh, I like that." But we'll get to
There's like a there's like is that a bit of an alpha move? Are you Are you reflectioning on me?
There's like a flow to the show, right? Like there's We've done this for a while now and it's like I know at times we
kind of go off into the that but there's like a flow and sure that news was
pretty cool. I had a great time on that the show. But did you hear when I called him a great big juiced up Did you hear me say
that? He's going to come after you. But uh but uh um Kabib and them had more important
things to say in regards to what's happening in mixed martial arts today. Kabib was talking about the best
lightweight in the world. He said that is hands down Arman Sarukan and went so
far as to say cho. He doesn't think Ilia Tapora has a chance against Arman
Zukian. Agree or disagree? Well, I gotta tell you, I mean, start
with I really loved the statement by Kabib and Khabib even put it like an 8020. I mean, he broke it down a little
bit and don't forget Kabib's not just some fighter anymore, man. That's a coach. That's a coach of a world
champion. Like, Kabib's opinion really matters. I thought it was more of a loyalty play. Kabib remains very loyal
to grapplers. Sombo followed by judo and of course wrestling which he's made look very good and I just thought he was kind of tipping the hat to Sukqi and I was
have a hard time knowing how sincere he was being as much as just putting over
Armen. But I must tell you this Armen is for sure the hardest matchup for Ilia.
Okay, so there you go. I agree. That's what I agree with you on. I believe it's
the hardest matchup for Ilia. I just think it's hard to say Armen is the best lightweight in the world when Ilia is
the champion and he just came up from 145. Like that's why I find it hard and we don't know anything but success from
Taporia. In Arman's fights we have seen at times he has struggled but has
Sukian's gotten better absolutely. Do I believe that Sukian is the best and most
competitive matchup for Ilia Tapora right now? Absolutely. But I don't know that I could say it as such a define
definitive statement that he's the best in the world or that he would just go and beat Ilia Tapora. I think I think
that Tapora is a special fighter. And I I think that while Khabib was tipping
his hat to the sport that we all love, wrestling, grappling, I also think that
uh I don't know that he has or the best feelings for Ilia in the way Ilia
operates, right? He's very brash. He's very forward. And we've spoken about this in times before where a brash
forward guy like that reminds you of the person that you had one of the most
nasty interactions with. Right? So you almost viewed him in the same regard. Now while you respect the skills, I just
don't know that he would have said that if I didn't feel like he does not have
the best feelings towards Taporia. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes. No, I I see what you're saying. And
by the way, I feel like I've seen that match or at least that matchup. Good wrestling defense, devastating power in
his hands. That would be Ilia versus his grappling Heavy Stru. It was you. It was you versus Rumble. I feel like that's
that same style. And you had to close that distance. And I will tell you, as a guy at home watching, I was very worried
about you when you stepped with an arms reach. I mean, what would you do if you were in Sukian's shoes? How would you
fight Iliot when he's putting everybody down? Every highlight you see is, you know, one guy falling after the next.
That's the same spot you were in. Well, that those are those are the dangers in fighting a guy with that type
of power, right? Great boxing, great power with takedown defense. Remember when I fought Anthony, he was already a
a junior college national wrestling champion. He had a background in wrestling. Tap to the same thing. You
got to get close to him and you got to at range. You got to So, here's you got to be all the way in or you got to be
all the way out. So, if you're far because Ily is a little bit of a shorter guy, you should just be kicking at him.
Not boxing. You You're never in the boxing range. At least that's how I would fight a guy like that. I would
kick at him. Then, when he would decide that he wants to engage, I would try to take him down. That's That's how you
fight a guy that possesses that type of power. Will it work? I don't know. I haven't seen it work before. But if I'm
the coach, if I'm the guy that's trying to prepare a guy for Ilia to pour you, I'm saying, "Hey
on the outside, you're just blasting kicks at his arms. High kicks. Blasting him, body kicks, high kicks. And then
the moment he gets like, I'm not staying at this range cuz he does pressure you, you start to kind of engage him in the
wrestling to just really never find yourself in that boxing range because in
that boxing range, he's too dangerous." Um I was also asked Islam. So I was also
asked about Ilia. Ilia seems to be on a collision course
to Patty Pimplet, but Arman Sukian universally is considered the most dangerous guy.
Is Ilia getting protected by not facing Arman now by the UFC or is it something
else? Shill. Okay, I got to tell you when you say things like that, call it a conspiracy, but I feel like you're armed
with some kind of a information like you've heard something because I will tell you they did that Patty the Batty face off. They ran that marketing back.
They pulled that off Sports Center. Dana said if I was cage side, I'd never even put him in there. It felt to me like
they were going with Sukruian. Sirukian cuts an interview last week. Says that Ilia is going to be out till 2026. Now
talking about himself, says, "I've already waited too long. I'm going to try to get in there November, December, even though there was no opponent name.
What do you know about Patty the Batty? I have Patty the Batty and Ilia associated in three weeks. So, here's what you just told me. Arman
said he's going to wants to fight November. Ilia is not back till 26. How long is Ilia going to wait?
Like, how long are they going to wait for Ilia Tap to Poria to fight when he fought in July, right? He's one of the
biggest stars. This is why I don't think that the UFC, they're not protecting
him. They're not protective. I just think that sometimes you go down a path,
chill, that you get so far down that path, you can't reverse it. It doesn't
work that way. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. I get what Dana said. I would have never even put
him in a cage. I get that. I understand. But he was in a cage. He was there. And
guess what? Every person that watched and a lot of them did saw him in that
cage with Iliot. You can't reverse that. That's why if he does get the title
fight, that'll be the only reason. I'm not I don't think they're saying like, "Hey, let's knowingly put him in a fight
that we feel is a better matchup for him to make sure that our shining star stays
bright, right? Let's polish him up." I don't think that's the case. I just think that sometimes you go so far and
you're like, "How do I get out of this?" But then you can't and and chill. You can't unsee things. You saw a big Patty
the Pimplet, a guy who looked tremendous against Michael Chandler in there with the champion. They're pushing each
other. They're arguing. They're fighting. You can't reverse it. There's no way. I like that. No, I like what you're
saying. That's actually a powerful line. Maybe he shouldn't have been in there, but he was in there. Maybe that should happen. But that did happen. I agree
with you, Daniel. I'm just telling you from from my seat and perspective, they threw some cold water on that. They
started to shine up Sooqian. Serukian was next. Suril game was next for the title and then he was the backup fighter
for the title and right now he's the number one ranked guy for the title. So if he goes out and he fights again and he wins, he finds himself in the exact
same position which is he should be the number one contender. That doesn't mean he wouldn't do it. I mean, I'd want to
stay busy, too, and stay active, but when I'm trying to get in somebody else's mind, I I just don't know that Sukian is gonna let Patty cut in front
of him. I don't know. Yeah. Isn't it amazing, though, how quickly things change cuz
uh Arman Sukian was in LA, didn't fight that fight, they said he would not be next. Definitely not next. He goes and
comes up the backup fighter, makes the weight, looks phenomenal on the scale. Then we all start going, "Well, he is
next, right?" Cuz I is now the champ. Islam's gone. this guy should be next. He's number one contender. Then the the
idea is that he's next. But what it it just changed because after January it
was like this guy is going to have to fight. There's no way that he fights for the belt next until
he fights someone else. But he stepped on the scale. He was a backup fighter and now it seemed as though he's next.
But at the end of the day, I believe it'll be Patty. I think it just you cannot unsee things, man. And and I
think that that's the problem. But speaking of that, right, speaking of Iliot, Satan, dude, this is bad, too.
This is bad for Arman Rukian. Very bad for Arman Rukian. Poor Arman. Dude, I
like the guy. He's such a good guy. Islam goes on the the where he was
talking and says, "I don't really want to fight Hamza Shamayaf. I don't want to
open any door of conflict between our people. I beat Jack Dela Matelena. I
would then want to fight Ilia. That's my preferred super fight. So
Islamachev goes and becomes the welterweight champion. His eyes are now set on Ilya at 155. Chale. What then? F.
What then for Arman Sukian? And uh is that the move right? Islam Tapora or
Islam Jagdella or sorry Islam versus Hamza? The way the story goes, and I'm
just going to repeat it. This is locker room talk, but I believe it to be true, right? I mean, you can't keep a secret. You can tell a phone, telegraph, or tell
a fighter. The word's going to get out any way you want to do it. Allegedly, the way the conversation went is Dana
said to Ily, "I will accept the 45 pound title back. I will put you in a 55 pound
title fight. I need to know you are staying at 55. There's not another jump. This is the one." And he agreed.
Allegedly, Dana said the same exact thing to Islam. If I bump you up to 70,
I'm taking the belt off you. Going to give you an opportunity up here, but you're staying at 70. We're not doing
this this back and forth kind of like Amanda Nunez did for a little bit. And to my understanding, that was agreed on.
And I know those boys want that to be this huge fight, but it's not. It could be. And there's some ways that you could build it, but Islam and Ilia is not this
massive fight that people are are trying to make believe it is. It it could with a little bit of time. I'm just sharing
for you. Those guys are a little bit too close to the trees to see the forest. Ilia Deoria versus Patty the Batty does
a bigger gate than Ilia Deoria versus Islam right now. You put a belt around Islam, maybe we're having a different
conversation. Hey, can I tell you one more thing if I'm being a little worried? I do not believe that Islam, should he have success at 170, is ever
coming back to 155. I think he thinks he's going to, but he is going to experience life. He's going to
experience training camp. He's going to have such a better experience at 170. I think that's the day he realizes I'm not
coming down. I'll stand my ground if this guy wants to come up. Another conversation, but I'm not going back.
And I do not believe Islam ever weighs 155 lbs in competition again. I I I uh
once I won that heavyweight belt, I could not dream of going back to 205. It
was only a matter of time until I ran out of time that they took the belt from me. It really was like when John and
Gustin were scheduled to fight, I was like, "Okay." I was like, "Let him fight for the belt." They're like, "Wait,
okay." I was like, "Yeah." I was like, "What happens next?" They said, "Well, the moment they start fighting, you're not the champ anymore." I go, "Well, the
moment I got the heavyweight belt, I was not the champ anymore." Because I was never going back down there. It's very difficult to uh to do that to um go all
the way back down whenever you I used to tell people that about you. I say he was 211bs at the Olympic Games in
2008. He does not want to weigh six pounds less than he did. I mean, I I used to tell people we're not getting
him back. He's now a heavyweight. Yeah, dude's a heavyweight, man. Dude dude's about to ride off into the sunset, man. Just collecting checks. Uh,
chill. You know, I thought Stipe I thought Stipe was going to beat you the first time.
Yeah, I thought Stipe was going to beat you. He was just too big. I thought he was just young enough. I was just young
enough. I was so old those last two fights. Thursday, the open workout. Friday was
the weigh in. The Saturday's the fight. Thursday after your open work. I was on Stipe this whole time. all through
ultimate fire behind your back. I was telling people he's just too big. Daniel, after your open workout, you took the
microphone and you said, "If you guys got any money, go bet it." I've never lost a wrestling match at heavyweight.
I've never lost a fight at heavyweight. I've never even lost a round at heavyweight. And I sat back and I'm
having flashbacks of like you versus MCO. And I'm just go, "Oh my god, he's right. You're nobody going to beat him
at heavyweight." That's his number. That was the day I was I was on the stem bandwagon for five months and I switched
to DC at the last minute. Yeah. I hope you I hope Hey, back then they didn't they didn't ban you from bending. So, I hope you listen and went
and put some money on. Okay, chill. I don't know the rules. So, Joe, back to uh uh my appearance on
Club Shay last weekend. So, I was asked about Jon Jones, right? And I left him
off the Mount Rushmore of fighters. I love him and Anderson Silva to that. Jon
Jones then responds. DC uh I was a high
school champ, Jo, youngest UFC champion, greatest in MMA history, a lifetime of
loss, victories and sacrifice, and this guy wants to ride it all off as steroids. Honestly, it's insulting, but
I can't help but laugh knowing it was God's given ability that made him feel
so inferior. That's John. That was his response. Daniel, they're they're all like that. I
mean, I could bring Barry Bonds into it or Magguire. Like, everybody goes down that road where they cheat the rules cuz
they somewhere had an insecurity. They somewhere wanted an edge and then they come back and go, "But I could have done it anyway." It's like, "Well, maybe
maybe you didn't think you could. if if you thought you could, you would have not have put a synthetic chemical
substance into your ass. It's it's it's just one of those things. And John really gets upset about it that DC, he
doesn't deny the hit and runs. He doesn't deny the the cocaine allegations. He doesn't that's the one
that's the one that bothers him. The Pico Grand and the couple of failed tests. And I mean, I'll just share with you that's a very common thing with
athletes. I do believe he could be right. I do believe John could have been the champion of the world without
steroids, but somewhere within him at some point he doubted that and that's
that's the life he chose. And and so here's the problem, right? I only answer the questions asked to me.
That's what I do. Guy asked me a question about Jon Jones, I tell him my truth. Reality is this though. I will
always go above and beyond to credit him with being a toughest guy I've ever fought, b the hardest fight, one of the
smartest fighters in the octagon. I give him all the credit of being one of the best fighters ever. But I'm not going to
say, "Oh, yeah, you're one of the four greatest fighters of all time when, like you said, chill, over the course of that
career, there was a moment where you made a decision to do something you weren't supposed to to elevate you
inside of an octagon in a fist fight." Look, I and I also say this, chill, he's
not the only guy I fought like that. He's just the only one I couldn't beat. I did, Chill. I never I never took a
drug test until I got to the UFC. So, it's not like these guys just weren't doing anything. It's just he was the one
I couldn't beat. So, I give him credit, but the guy is like he's so like
he's so weird. like he's such a weird guy that even if I will talk about him
because this was 20 minutes, bro, of me talking about him and polishing him up,
right? Telling him all the great all the great things about what he does in Octagon. It's the negative thing that he
latches on to because that's what he wants to do, right? He wants to latch on to that negative thing. When in reality,
I feel like I was very fair. I don't have to be fair to Jon Jones. Like, I don't care. He doesn't have to be fair
to me, right? But to say made me feel inferior. Jill.
Jill. Chill. You were a high school state champion. I won three and a world medal in high school and I made the
United States world team when I was in high school. You were a JO national champion. I won two of those and became
an NCAA all-American and finalist. Uh then I went on to make two Olympic teams
and win six US national titles. Chill. Hey. Then you became the youngest UFC champ in history. Absolutely. I was a
UFC champion, too, in two divisions. So, it's like, how do you tell how can you say tell someone they're inferior when
all the accolades are kind of the same but better? They're just better. Like,
how do you call somebody inferior, chill? Well, but Daniel, I've actually been very surprised at the ground has made. I
mean, I've heard people like get behind him and support him. I remember when he said, "I I did coke all weekend and still got in the ring and fight you."
when the crowd goes crazy. I mean, I'm just sharing like it's a really interesting thing if he
did go the other way. Let me use myself as an example, but you saw Brian Stan and I together a week ago. We joined you on the Wayne Show.
I reached out to Brian. I probably got these texts on my phone. I could read him to I said, "Man, I'm sorry I cheated." This was out of nowhere. I had
talked to him in a couple years. I said, "I'm really sorry I cheated." Like, I just wanted him to know here was what
was going on and and all all the character flaws and and the poor, but here's what I did and I cheated you and
I want to tell you sorry. You saw how how tight we were. He accepted my apology right away. All he needed was to
hear that. And frankly, I needed to get off my chest. And I'm telling you, if John would have ever come out and owned that, but he's taken the other approach
where he kicked you in the head, which is a devastating thing to do, and then telling you, you have no right to complain about it. It's like, John, I
never complained. I knew you were juiced. It was the Athletic Commission that called you on it, not me. I never said a word. I kept my mouth shut like I
did for all these other guys that were juiced up. They flagged you. Yeah. I didn't tell on you, bro. They
You got caught. We We all did the same test. You're just the one that had uh
stuff in like illegally inside of you. So, yeah. It's just a weird deal, man. Because And guess what? I'm okay with us
never being okay. Like, that's I don't care. I really don't care. I answer the
questions asked of me. Okay. But Daniel, I feel like maybe I'm not saying this, I feel like that was his bridge back to
you. Everybody would rather go through life getting along than having an enemy. And and I feel as though when he comes
out to villainize you to to to make you the bad guy for answering a qu I mean he
got flagged by the state athletic commission and the United States anti-doping agency. We're not pointing the finger. I kept my mouth shut when I
fought him too. I knew he had the same secret. That's the reason I knew. I mean I'm just sharing
it does surprise me like I don't think there's any way to make up while he continues to tell you hey you shouldn't
care about that. So what? I cheated and they took my belt. You should have you should have mailed it back to me. I don't really understand the argument.
Yeah. Plus like and also I didn't like and I I can put that on everything in my life. I never did. So it's like it's
hard to accept he he did that. But it's all good. Like it's all good. That's water on the bridge. Hey, John wants to
be called the forever champion. He said that now he should be called the forever champion because of all of his his
accomplishments in the UFC and for how long it's been. Now chill. This Jon Jones I like. See, like this. I like I
don't like the whiny little I like this. Like, okay, call me the Forever Champ
because you went through three decades of fighter. Like, okay, this Jon Jones I like. Now, are we going to call him the
Forever Champ? No. But that I kind of like this guy. This would be kind of
like if Islam went healing just goes, "All you guys suck. I just keep beating your best fighters. So what?" I like
this on I like that on Jon Jones. Oh, I love it. Hey, you remember the hardcore title? I I Yeah, remember. And and but
it was like a real belt and then they like taped over it. It just like they put caution tape over or something, you know? They couldn't even wear it. He had
to hold it so like the scotch tape and stuff didn't fall off. I would love if John went and got himself something that
said like Forever Champ and started carrying that belt around. That's funny to me. I like Forever Champ. I claim to
be the linear champ. As the guy that made Jon Jones walk out of there with nine toes, I claim to be the linear
champ. That's funny. I'm I'm actually into that. John hasn't screwed up an interview in a while. He's actually been
redot. Yeah. When he's got no pay-per-views to sell, he can find a way to make things pretty interesting.
Chill, I I want to ask you this. Would being the UFC president be a dream job
for Chel Sunn or goodness or listen, Chel Sunn. Yeah. or uh Il
Ilia Puya or Israel Adosana or every human being that's ever accomplished
anything in there. Of course it would be. So I was asked that question. But here's where
where people don't understand right what Dana does
being a promoter chill. If you and I were to promote fights and only promote
fights we are tasked with making people watch. Yes, we could be uh we could do
that job in anything because Bob Arum did it, Don King did it. All those
promoters from way back in the day when all they had to do was tell people to watch were able to do it. But the UFC is
not that anymore. It's not just promoting. Dana is not just a promoter anymore. He doesn't have to just go out
there and go watch this, watch this, watch this. Those layers that in that this job entails are where we the
athletes would get lost. That's what we can't do. We don't know the business. We don't know all these things. So, yes, if
the UFC goes, we want to task Daniel and Chel as co-promoters of UFC 250, we'd be
like, absolutely. And then we get up there and we tell everybody why they have to watch. But in the back,
television rights deals, pay-per-view uh sales, getting rid of pay-per-view,
dealing with ESPN. We have no idea how to do that. So, sure, everybody would
love the job, but we can't do the job because of all the other things that comes with being a promoter today of one
of the biggest sports organizations in the world. It would it would take five people, five good men to to do the job that Dana
White does. I believe that your kids are going to be taught about Dana White in textbooks in college someday. He he went from a fight promoter, which he thought
was a cool thing to say. He's a street kid from Boston. He takes over international business at 32 years old
with no massive background. He thought that was cool to say fight prom. So, we all keep saying it. He's an executive
producer of content. He is a CEO. I mean, I fully agree with you and you and I saw a little bit of this dealing with
the ultimate fighter and seeing what his schedule is like. And it's Yeah. sitting down and telling people the story as to
to to why we put the fight on and what the date's going to be. That's the easy stuff. It's all the stuff that goes on
around it. It it it really is a talking thing. And I only share that because so many people think like, I would love that life. The only reason that life is
cool is cuz he thinks it's cool. That's what he wanted to do. But there is nothing about that that's easy. I always
tell people when they talk about these these guys, these commissioners, Adam Silver and and uh Roger Goodell and Dana
Whites, like they're making a boatload of money in those jobs, but the amount
of time and effort and energy they put into that job, it's insane. You think you're busy now. Imagine that, bro. Like
Dana tells sometimes a schedule and I'm like, it's impossible. I don't know how many days a week he's staying at home
because he's so busy. So yes, every fighter, right, or any person that has
aspirations would like a job that would be the the most grand thing in the world, but you
can't do it. It would take, like you said, five people, two guys to promote the fight, Hunter Campbell to do all the
negotiations, and then all the other people and all the other. It would just take a It would take five people to do
that job. So, and I can't imagine the UFC without a Dana White. So, it's it's crazy. If you ever wanted to sleep at
night, yeah, you would need about five people. You want to know the fight that I wanted to see and we never got it. But I wanted to see Dana versus Vince and
they started it, man. Those guys going decided, let's team up. But that was the
war right there. That was the battle I wanted. Even if we would have did Battle of the Billionaires. Remember Trump and Battle
of the Billionaires? They didn't actually fight, but then they got to shave Vince's hair. That was crazy.
Okay. So, okay. Now, speaking of that job, right now that we've kind of gotten to that,
what would be your dream job if not for becoming a fighter? Chill. Oh my, what a
fun question. I I I love this game. Um, what would have been my dream job? Gez,
I don't know if it would have been a dream job, but I imagine that the the I would have gone into construction. I
imagine my father was a plumber, then he went on to to build houses. And so I kind of drew up grew up on job sites and
reading blueprints and looking at dirt and imagining where the buildings are going to go. So I I imagine that's just
the direction that I I would have gone. In fact, that's what I was planning to do even when I was a fighter. I just thought I could move it out a little
bit. You know, you couldn't be a professional fighter. I mean, you might you might qualify for that, but you you weren't going to be able to support
yourself. And that was the direction that I was headed. The the industry kind of changed around me. But um that's pro
I would love to hear your answer. What would you do? Wrestling coach? Uh, yes. But chill. Back when I was
growing up, brick laying was the family business for all of the men in my family. And
I did it one summer during my freshman year of college. And I was like, "Yo, I'll never do this again." It was the
hottest, most difficult job uh in history. Because in Louisiana, Chill, your uh
your body's little like rivers and they're just mosquitoes and bugs and it's 100 degree humidity and it's 110°.
It was the most miserable job I've ever had in my life. And it honestly is why I am here today because I was like,
there's no way this could be my living. Like to be that exhausted, that tired, that dirty and do it every day. No
chance. Well, and and Danny, I'll tell you this and brick layer, what what an honest day's work. But I will tell you that I have time to think. I might have gone
the direction of Shay Shay. Like I always did believe if my athletic abilities diminished, if if I got weaker
or I got injured, I probably would have joined the NFL. Like if there was a time that I couldn't have done it. So I might
still do that. I might still join the NFL. I' I've had talks with Hollywood. I go out, I double Denzel. Like there's a
few options for me, but I I would change my answer. I would probably I'd have probably done what Sharp did. I'd have
probably played football. I did that and then I would have uh my dream job
though. Honestly, I think we got a dream job, Jill. We get paid to talk. That's
crazy. Like the fact that they actually we've known each other since 1998.
The fact that you and I are here today 27 years later talking and making the
money that we make is absurd. Who manages the hiring process in these
places, Joe? Because we keep doing it. It's like you and I, Oklahoma State,
Oregon wrestlers getting to do this. It's crazy. That's the dream job. Like,
we actually been we talk about fighting. It's crazy. We did get very lucky. Hey, by the way, a moment ago when you were
reading off Jon Jones's credentials, do you know who beat him in the state championship in New Mexico?
Who? Matt Riddle. He lost to Matt Riddle. Yep. Now, John came back. John was
champion. But yes, a previous year, I believe his junior year, Matt Riddle was the champion.
Chill. By junior year, Yeah. By junior year in high school, Chill, it was like,
"Hey, Chill, you know who could wrestle me by the junior year of my high school? You, Mark Munoz."
Yeah. Guys that were like number one, two, and three in the country. Those were the only guys in the country that could compete against a guy uh by the time you
were a junior in high school. You know, we were all wrestling in a circle against each other at the biggest tournaments. Hey,
how about Brock Lesnar? That was nice that you included me in that, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. What about Brock Lesnar? Are we going to come
beat Brock? Do you think I would have beat Brock? You told Shay Shay, okay, that Brock would have beat you think I would have beat Brock.
I want to know if you got to beat Brock. Oh, heavens yes, I did. And I even thought Brock was always very respectful
of you because Brock in his heart is a wrestler and he knew he was standing in front of an Olympian. Like he knew what his accolades were and he understood
even when he gave you that that little push. I mean that wasn't the push that you give a guy that you want to fight.
That's the push that you give a guy who you want to get a little hype for because you respect him. Nothing wrong with that. But yeah, you'd
have worn Brock out pretty fast. Not to mention, you'd planned for him. I mean, in the form of Kane Velasquez, you'd gone through a training camp for Brock
when you told Shay Shay that that would have been the safest fight for you. That was a true statement. I feel at that point, I was still at a
point in my career where I would have been able to manage him uh pretty good. But yeah, that interview uh was long, it
was fun, and uh I got a lot said, and it was received very well as people receive
our show every week. Chill, another episode of Good Guy, Bad Guy in the Books. Time to go drop Luna to school.
We will see you guys on Thursday. So for Chill Sunday, I'm Daniel Cormier. Peace.