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On this episode of Good Guy/ Bad Guy… Is Charles Oliveira the Greatest Brazilian MMA Fighter of all time? After adding to his long list of accolades finishing Mateusz Gamrot in Brazil, should we call him the greatest to ever do it? And could Oliveira be the next BMF? It’s the callout heard around the world and Max Holloway says he’s down! But do the guys want to see that matchup? Then, José Aldo, the King of Rio lays down his gloves…again. And the Good Guy is OVER it! Plus, it’s official Alex Pereira wants to fight Jon Jones at Heavyweight. You do NOT want to miss what DC and Chael have to say about the callout that could setup the biggest Super Fight in UFC history!
0:32 Oliveira defeats Gamrot
6:51 Oliveira calls out Max for BMF
9:48 Is Oliveira best Brazilian fighter ever?
16:38 Aldo officially retires (again)
20:01 Pereira reveals broken foot from Ankalaev fight
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If he walks out in Sa Paulo, if he if
they go to Sa Paulo, if he does a
retirement ceremony again where he goes
and puts his gloves, I'm throwing
something into my teeth. I can't do it
again. Jail.
[Music]
What's happening, guys? You are in luck.
Another episode of Good Guy Bad Guy. I'm
Chale. He's Daniel. We got a lot to get
to, partner. Where do you want to begin?
Hey, bro. Charles Olivera did it again.
Chill goes to Brazil and completely
dominates Matteas Gamro. Hey, Gameamrock
was celebrating down.
Hey, Gamrock was celebrating and happy
when he got the fight. Sometimes you
celebrate some stuff that you really
don't want, dog. Chill. I was so hard on
Ola Vera about coming back so soon after
the knockout against Iliot.
Chill. I got to eat Crow, my brother.
Charles Olivera got hit by Gamrock.
Didn't matter. Charles Olivera walked
him down, took him down, completely
dominated him on the ground and got a
submission. Dude, how impressive was
Charles Olivivera this weekend. I've got
to know him on a personal level just
recently, like four and five months ago.
And Daniel, he's different. I mean, he
when he comes out and he says something
in a media, he's not cutting promos.
He's not trying to build hype. He
started talking about this over a week
ago when when he didn't have an
opponent. He said, "I don't care who the
opponent is. Everybody says they don't
care the opponent is. They all care who
the opponent is." He didn't care who the
opponent was. Gamero is a terrible
matchup for Charles Olivera, by the way.
He goes out and what he really wanted to
do was to perform in front of his own
people. That that was his biggest deal.
There is no such thing as a home field
advantage in MMA. It's true in football.
It's not true in MMA. Nobody rises to
the occasion. Not like this. Plus, he's
coming off that knockout. We saw this
from Vulcanowski. If you come back too
quickly after a knockout, it's a
tremendous problem. Charles said, "I
don't care anything about this. I'm not
thinking about retirement. I'm not
thinking about anything but get my belt
back. I'll do whatever it takes." These
aren't just words when he says them.
He's really letting you know how he
feels. It turns out Charles Olivera is a
straightup badass.
Yeah, he is. And he's the best jail.
That's one of the things about
Olivivera. Like he's one of the nicest
guys you'll ever meet. He's an absolute
killer, right? But when he when he's
outside the octagon, he's sweet. He's
very giving. like he doesn't like hold
anything back, speaks to you clearly.
He's the man. But I was like, yo, I'm
not on you about fighting. I'm on you
for in terms of concern. There was no
reason to be concerned for Charles Dub
Bronx Olivera. He walked out there on
Saturday to exactly what he expected,
right? He, you know, why he wanted that
fight. There is not an arena in the
world where Olivivera's song hits the
the the speakers. It's that that that
it's almost like a gospel Brazilian
song. I swear to God, it's like gospel
played through the through the arena.
There's not an arena in the world that
that music hits. A song in which no one
knows the words to. They go as crazy as
they do for Charles Olivivera. But he
got what he wanted Saturday because not
only did they go crazy, that place
exploded. The roof came off the building
when that song came out in a place where
people do know the words to that song.
So they were all singing it with Charles
Olivera as he walks into the octagon.
Dude goes out there and puts pitches a
absolute masterpiece. A no hitter if
you're talking in baseball terms. He
gets a takedown on Gamerock early. I was
surprised in the first round that
Gamerock took him down so quickly
because you know the danger that
Olivivera can put you in once you get
him on the ground but he was struggling
so much on the stand up. So when he took
Charles down, bro, Charles got his leg
wrapped around his neck in one point.
Then Charles has him at Plata. Then
eventually Charles reverses Gamro. And
in the second round, Charles is like,
"Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is
so easy on the ground. I'mma take him
down." He goes and takes Gamerock down
and submits him. Bro, I don't know what
else to say about Charles Oliver. I
appreciate your analysis and I can
already hear Glenn telling us later
today that he wants a deep X's and O's
from his two leading experts. But
Daniel, this wasn't a physical thing.
This was mental. This is what's so
impressive was the mental approach, the
turnaround, the self-belief and
confidence that that Oliver did from an
X's and O's in the short fight that it
was. He showed to be a complete fighter
man. There wasn't one position that he
just he threw hands, he threw kicks, he
controlled space, he pushed energy. But
Daniel, it's very hard when you watch
this to not a little piece of you wonder
just how good is Ilia to Poria Ilia to
like that's very hard to just give the
praise to Charles here knowing what Ilia
did to him. But this turnaround
by Charles and by the way gamero we
didn't get into the short notice part.
The short notice part comes when you
start breathing hard and you get
fatigued. These were regular rounds that
Charles is showing off in. I see it uh
your way. It was tr It was inspiring.
And you don't get to use that word in
sport very often. It was actually
inspiring.
Chill. Yes. We didn't get to round
three, four, and five where you start
getting tired because the fight was on
short notice. Round one and two, you
should still feel pretty good because
you should always be in shape to fight a
three- round fight if you're a
professional fighter. But Olivivera
dominated, man. And it was it was
actually fun to watch. But it also shows
you the why for so long it's been a
select group of guys that have
controlled this division. It takes a
real special guy like an Ilia Deoria,
like a Patty Pimplet to break in to that
Justin Gate and and and Michael Chandler
used to be there and Tony Ferguson used
to be there who by the way Tony Ferguson
was knocked out of that place by Charles
Olivivera when Charles got his
opportunity which ultimately made him.
But you watch Gachi beat Faze a couple
times. You watch Olivivera beat this kid
again.
and these older guys are showing, hey,
we're still here and we're still going
to be a part of the conversation going
forward in this weight class. But when
you talk to about Olivivera, he's a guy
that,
you know, the title right now may not be
on uh in the short term, right? The
title might not be in the short term,
but chill. He goes out and he has the
most perfect solution for being Charles
Olivivera. While I might not fight for
the undisputed title, I get that. I got
knocked out in the last time. There is a
beautiful black and silver belt that is
held by a guy I have history with, that
is held by a guy that I know will put on
fights that we could fight for. I would
like to fight Max Holloway for the BMF
title. It's the perfect the perfect call
out at the perfect time. And as you
would expect, the Blessed Express right
away says, "Hey, I'm all for it." But it
happens on my terms. I'm not going to
Rio. I'm not going to Brazil. We fight
in Vegas or something. And as the
champion, Max deserves to say that. But
dude, how perfect is Charles Olivera Max
Holloway for the BMF title?
Oh, I I love it. And this isn't brand
new, by the way. Just to take you back
to New Orleans, Max Holloway defeats
Dustin Porier, doesn't even put his
t-shirt on, walks on the set of ESPN,
calls out Charles Olivera. So, there is
something, you know, they they've got
that they've got that pass, but
something between these two really nice
guys has never quite settled. And I I
just got to tell you, I love the call
out. Just so the audience understand
this, it turned out that Max was live.
He's doing a live stream. He's on the
internet. He sees himself get called
out. He responds in the moment and he
did not flinch. He did say, "I'm not
coming to Rio. Hey, last time Max got on
an airplane, it didn't go so well." The
way that Charles performed, I don't
blame Max. That's not really a bad call.
That's not quite the way this game is
played. But ultimately, just so
everybody is very clear, Max accepted
and Max agreed to put up the belt. And
yes, I think that's the direction that
we're going to likely go.
Well, Max has gone to Rio to fight Jose
to win his belt. Max has gone to New
Orleans to fight Dustin Porier. Max
doesn't want to go back to Brazil to
fight someone else. Like he should at
some point get to fight on his terms and
I believe that he's rightfully saying
this needs to be in Vegas because they
call that like the 13th island or
something from Hawaii's 12 islands or
some crazy stuff like that. That's like
the 13th island is what Max calls it. So
that'll be good. So I would love to
watch those two fights. But chill. When
you talk about Charles Olivera and what
he has done, first off, I never in my
wildest dreams when I watch Paul Felder,
all respect to my boy finish Charles
Olivivera thought that fast forward a
number of years, I would be sitting on
ESPN, the worldwide leader, and asking
you the question I'm about to ask you.
Chill.
Charles Oliver, remember the guy that
everybody said, if you pressure him,
he'll quit. He has no heart. He this
I want to ask you the crazy thing. Olive
has now
the most finishes in the UFC history. He
has the most submissions in the UFC
history. He has the second most wins in
UFC history. He's won seven times in
Brazil. On the other side of that, to
the right of that record, zero losses.
Every time he goes to Brazil, he has
won. So when we look at Olivivera with
the title win and the title defenses and
what he all those records now is this
the greatest Brazilian fighter we have
ever seen? Anderson I get it. Jose
Hannon Moral Noggeras Shogun. Is this
guy the greatest Brazilian fighter we've
ever seen?
Vanderlay Vtor I I hear you on this
in the UFC. I I am so guilty of
short-term memory because it was a week
ago that I was telling you that Alex
Pierre was the greatest fighter the
world's ever seen. But I do get your
point. And by the way, Daniel, for
somebody that gets better later in their
career, that's the inspiring part that I
was speaking about. Randy Couture did
it, but he started his career at 34. He
had no experience. He kind of we knew he
was going to get better. Robbie Lawler
was one of these guys that you could get
tired and he would wilt and then all of
a sudden you don't want to be in the
fifth round with Robbie Lawler. He got
better with age. He figured it out with
time. I'm one of the detractors to
Charles Olivera. I fought on a card with
Charles. He was an undercard to a young
man named Jim Miller. Charles, the
submission ace, which is what we heard
about cuz we weren't overly familiar. He
was a young boy. I want to say 24 years
old. Got submitted in a straight knee
bar by Jim Miller. I mean, I'm just
sharing for you like I still have these
memories to look at Charles for what he
is, which you're arguing now one of the
greats ever, whether he is or not. The
fact that Daniel Cormier suggested on
ESPN that he might be proves your point.
And to watch him get better with time.
Are you telling me two years from now
there's a chance this guy is better than
he is today? That's just not the way the
game is played. And that is the part
that is so inspiring. Well, for me it's
like this, right? So people get judged
on losses more than wins, right? No
matter what you do. Because there was a
time, jail, when Anderson Silva was
rolling that I never thought for a
second anyone would ever be considered
better at this sport than Anderson Silva
had done MMA. But then as he got older,
obviously he starts to lose fights. The
the shine kind of comes off of him. And
Olivivera, that's in reverse, right? He
was young when he was taking his losses.
So, are you judged harsher for losing
late, which is expected, or losing
early, which is expected, right? Because
at the end of the day, when you're young
in the UFC, as young as Olivivera
started, you should hit some bumps in
the road. When you're older, when
Anderson's 40 and he's still fighting in
the UFC, you should be losing to guys on
the way out. So, how do we base this
decision? Because if we say the young
inexperienced guy is supposed to lose at
that point, then all we have seen
Olivivera do as a man is fight at the
highest level and find success.
That was very philosophical. I don't
know if you meant for it to be, but
you're right. This isn't the way the
game is played. Everybody runs into a
bad patch. They do it late. They do it
on their way out. They start cashing
checks. We've never really seen it where
somebody got such a bumpy start. Anthony
Smith did not do it in the UFC, but at
one point his record was like 7 and 12.
He had a very rough start and takes that
all the way to a five round decision
against uh Jon Jones. But I hear what
you're saying about Charles. Listen, on
a personal level, I knew Charles was
great. I mean, you hear the reputation,
you hear the words, just like you and I
were hearing about this guy called Kamza
Chamay two years before the rest of the
world saw him. But Daniel, how could
have he had a big confidence? Poverty is
real. Living in the FLLAS is real.
growing up, you you got a mom there and
then you kind of you got you got aunts
and uncles and and dad's not around. I
mean, I'm just sharing with you like to
be a young boy that gets thrown into the
spotlight of the UFC. And to not fully
believe in yourself when he got straight
knee barred by Jim Miller, just for
example, that wasn't cuz he didn't know
that position. It was just one of these
things where he didn't believe that he
should be in that moment. He couldn't
quite comprehend it. So, he was going to
fix the world with this negative
prophecy and go ahead and get himself
out of there. When we watched him start
to get confidence and realize, hey, I'm
one of these guys. And then it turns
into I belong. Then it turns into I'm
the man. When we watched him do that,
that's when we started to see those
record changes. If you go back and you
watch the fights that he did lose,
including to Paul Felder, there was some
very good moments. There was
ways that he found to make sure the
other guy had better moments. And I'm
just sharing confidence is real. And
sometimes it takes some experience. And
he might have in hindsight got thrown
into the octagon a little younger than
he was quite ready. And he he boy some
of those fights though on his way to
becoming the champion. The way he beat
Tony Ferguson up in the apex the way he
did Dustin Porier. Hey Dustin was
fighting well but his pressure he just
broke him down submitted Michael
Chandler on so many occasions. This dude
is the man. I don't know Chill. When I
start to really think about it, I'm
like, yo, if there is anybody better,
right, all due respect to Anderson,
Noggera, and Vanderlay and all those
guys, it's a very short list. If there
is a list at all of better guys from
Brazil that have done it inside the UFC
octagon than Charles Oliver, he's the
man. Daniel, Daniel, can I just throw
one final thought at you because 155
there's something going on right now and
I think it's something that's already
decided in the UFC and hasn't been
revealed to us. But Sukruian's got his
hands full with Hooker that gets named a
number one contenders match. Okay,
great. But allegedly, Ilia is going to
come back in January. Now, you don't
have very many players on the board.
You're kind of looking right to Gachi.
You're kind of looking right at Patty
the Batty. Then we have this great
turnout by Charles Olivera. We got Max
who's always a good option, but they've
now removed each other from the board.
They're kind of going down this path
together. So again, that leaves you with
Ilia. That leaves you with Gachi. And
yes,
the Batty go.
It's coming down to those two.
Yes.
We see if we see either Gachi or Pimble
get scheduled. We got our answer. It's
only two guys now that could be fighting
Ilia Tapora whenever he returns. It's
crazy.
But my bigger my bigger point was if it
does go in the direction we think that
would leave Ilia without a dance
partner. like Illy and Charles makes
sense but Charles is now busy with Max.
Ilia for a title or or rather Patty for
a title makes sense but if Max is the
only one with the other belt and he goes
with Charles it kind of just leaves
Patty in in a big of a purgatory and I
suggest I like backup fighter position
by the way I don't think I think it's a
compliment. Save that thought. I might I
might look smart in a couple of weeks,
partner.
You're bad. Chill. Chill. Uh, another
guy, right? Like I as I was talking
about that short list of guys that could
potentially be above Charles Olivera,
one of them retired last weekend, but
chill. Come on, man. I don't mean to be
that guy, man. I don't mean to be the
guy. Michael Bismick said it. Whenever
Jose Alder goes in, lays the gloves
down, Bismouth goes, I'm kind of jealous
I didn't get this in England, right?
Like, come on. I meant a lot. Hey,
if there's ever a guy that deserves to
have that happen, it was Jose Aldo Jr. I
am a massive fan of Jose Aldo Jr. Very
rarely do I get starruck. I still felt
that way when I would see Aldo. But
chill,
we've seen it time and time again.
We We're not done seeing it, Daniel. The
rules are different for this young man.
The respect that the UFC has shown him.
I mean, they must really like on a
personal level like Jose cuz you're
right. These opportunities are so rare.
You and I got to make that walk at the
Hall of Fame, but it's very special.
They play your music, the crowd is there
for the first time. They're playing the
music and you get to walk in front of
the crowd. You have the you don't have
the stress of having to fight a guy in a
cage. Like, it's a very cool moment. and
what Jose means to Rio, right? What
mixed martial arts means to all of
Brazil. But then you really break it
down. Jose is one of the biggest stars
ever. Just to be getting this
opportunity, he must be one of the
biggest stars ever. The crowd loves him.
To act as though I'm not envious of
that. Yes, I am. And by the way, it's
not done. Like he's playing by a
different set of rules. We're going to
see Jose make that walk to that octagon
and hear that ovation at least a couple
more times.
Okay, let me say this as a massive fan
of Jose Aldo Jr. That is me laying down
a foundation for my love for Aldo.
I'm over it like that. Just this. I'm
done with it. I'm done with it. I'm done
with it. Ch
at the Hall of Fame when he retired.
I was emotional. I was emotional
watching him hear his song run this time
by Rihanna and he was like, "Oh, this is
so good going into the Hall of Fame. The
stress of all this career is done. I've
got money. I've got this."
I was like, "Yes, for this guy." He
didn't get out clean because nobody
does. But he got out in a way where his
legacy is intact. He's still got all of
his facilities, or at least it feels
that way. And he goes and fights again.
Then he walks out in Brazil. He comes
out run this town. It's very emotional.
Chill. Let me tell you something. I
can't get emotional for someone multiple
times like that over and over again. So
I'm done with it. Chill. Jose, I just
want you to be done. If you're done,
you're done. Jose, please. I can't watch
you. If he walks out in Sa Paulo, if he
if they go to Sa Paulo, and he does a
retirement ceremony again where he goes
and puts his gloves, I'm throwing
something into my TV. I can't do it
again, Jail. I can only do that once. I
can only do it once or twice. That's it.
I can't do it no more, Joe. It was
awesome. Happy got that moment, Chill.
But please, let's be done with the
retirement. Am I wrong? I co-signed that
statement. We can move on. We can move
on right now.
Come on, man. We can't do it that many
times. Okay, Jose Aldo, congratulations
on a career uh that has been so
important to the UFC that you got to do
it twice in tremendous fashion. Uh but a
guy that's still fighting or at least
still the champion but not fighting
right now is Alex Peda. Alex was in
Brazil last weekend. He spoke about what
he wants to do. He spoke about his
injury. He said he broke his foot right
away. So obviously the way that he beat
Uncle Goliath was the probably the only
way, right? Because if he has a broken
foot, it would have been very difficult
for that to go 25 minutes. But he spoke
about wanting to fight Jon Jones at the
White House. He spoke about what his
career looks forward looks like going
forward. But what I want to focus on is
him having a break. The longest break
he's ever had in his UFC career was the
one that he just came off. He was out
for seven months between the Michael
Anallayia fights. Is this a blessing in
disguise for Porned though to have to
sit on the side with the broken foot
because as you know he loves to be
active and with activity at times you
can find yourself in much tougher fights
than you expect to be in but also get
beat.
Yeah. Theoretically, of course, he'd
rather not have the broken foot than the
broken foot. But to speak to your point,
people need breaks. People need a rest.
I mean, there's a reason that sports
have a season. And it's not because the
fans are going to stop coming out. It's
be the players. They just they got to
rest to and able to extend their career.
And Pierre is getting a lot of rounds
in. He's getting a lot of training camps
in. He's getting a lot of weigh-ins in.
He's getting a lot of flights in. Look,
this is the first time in a meaningful
amount of time that we've heard him
quite so vocal about an opponent. And
going after Jon Jones is not something I
really remember people doing. When Jon
was the champion, people went after the
championship, which involved Jon Jones.
Why would you ever want to fight Jon
Jones? I mean, why would Pierre want to
fight Jon Jones? And one thing about it,
he's not inviting Jones to come down and
challenge for his belt. Pierre's big
idea, which by the way is a really great
idea from the from the world of our
industry. That is a massive fight. What
would they be fighting for? And it's
it's it's one of those things that does
leave a little question here. I don't
suggest that we don't do it because of
that. But I'm only suggesting to you,
you have a champion of the world that
would like to go into a fight that is
not for the championship of the world.
But he sees legacy. He sees the
importance. He sees the ability to close
the book on the idea of the goat. I get
all of those things. But to go after
John right now when the loss of his
brother, it's a hard thing. Now, this is
a dance that I think Pierre is doing
very well. I don't think that Pierre has
made this personal at all. I think he's
called out and been pretty respectful
basically saying what I'm just saying
that this is a fight that needs to
happen. We're both under contract. We
both think a certain way about
ourselves. I'm willing to take the risk
and actually figure it out. I love that
from a sportsman standpoint. But I will
tell you, what do we do with that
division? If you got your champion that
one is telling you that he's injured and
two telling you he wants to leave the
division, what do we do with that? At
some point, we got to take a guy at his
word. We got to pull that belt back and
we got to get on with it. I don't know
that we're there. I'm just sharing with
you. We're going in that direction.
But I believe that that idea, Chill,
becomes real now because legacy, right?
You said he's deciding and I love it,
Chill. I'm I'm align with you on
everything. He's called out the most
dangerous guy. He's called out the guy
that elevates his legacy. But then we
go, what's it for? As you said, is that
as important now? Because we saw this
just last year with Jones where Jones
told the UFC, right? Jones was the one
that made this a possibility chill cuz
he told the UFC,
"I'll do the ASP fight down the line,
the Stipe fight. Me beating the greatest
heavyweight of all time means more. So
give me this legacy fight. We'll deal
with whatever is down the line
afterwards." Now, obviously, John
retired and vacated the belt, but
Pereira could ask hypothetically, right?
Because now that door's been opened
that, hey, give me the legacy fight.
I'll deal with whatever else later. Give
me the fight that matters to my legacy.
Hell, you did it for Jon Jones just last
year. So, yeah, Don Jones is on the
other side of that, right? He's on the
other side of a of a a condition that he
introduced it to the world because
before jail, we never saw legacy fights
matter more than a title. But we saw it
last year in the heavyweight division in
Madison Square Garden guarded where
Jones becic.
Sure. Yes. And by the way, should
Surreal get the jump on Tom Aspenol? It
does change how we look at this. like
the the the idea of of Jon versus
Surreal is just not a direction that I
think that anybody's going to move in.
And so I just suggest for you maybe
Pierre likes the heavyweight
championship a little bit more if it's
around Surreal's ways. Maybe John sees
the importance of Pier. I mean not for
nothing but this big heavyweight title
fight that we have for the conversation
we're having right now, the results of
that fight are going to impact our
opinion on this topic. That is exactly
what we have to wait on for Abu Dhabi in
a couple weeks. Y
but also
if Surreal if Surreal Gan wins a fight,
I think we have more of a chance of Jon
Jones versus Alex Peda.
Agreed.
Because I don't imagine the UFC would
say, "Okay, John, you could have a title
fight against Sirro Gan." Hell, they
might let Alex get a title fight against
Sirro Gan and then Alex needs to wait. I
think he showed his hand a little bit.
Chill. Tom Aspel is the man right now.
But like you said, if he is to lose this
fight,
more people would say, I I could fight
Sir Gan, which I think is is so
dangerous cuz Sir Gan is as good as
anyone in the world. And I've watched
him just destroy dudes. And what he did
to Taiu Ivasa in Paris where he actually
was trying to hurt him makes a real gun
as dangerous as anyone. But if Tom
Aspenol just wipes him out, then what?
Nobody's going to want They don't want
to fight Aspenol now. Imagine if he
looks like a world beater against Sirro
Gan. It's crazy to think that the
heavyweight champion is so uh I don't
want to say feared because I really
don't believe that these fighters are
afraid of anyone, but he's so respected
that the greatest fighter of all time uh
doesn't didn't want to really fight him.
But Alex Peda might need to hold his
hand a little closer because if Surreal
does win, he can go, I want to fight for
the heavyweight title. If Tom Aspenol,
it's something he just does not want to
do. But the potential to
tie up the divisions becomes a real
thing if Pada really does say I want to
be uh the heavyweight champion. But
here's the issue, Chelwood, light
heavyweight. One guy that is potentially
a number one contender, Alex has beaten
twice. The other guy, Carlos Bberg, uh,
has not fought for the belt yet, is
still relatively young in his career. If
Alex leaves, I think it hurts the light
heavyweight division much more than it
hurts the heavyweight division. Yeah, it
makes you wonder what to do there. And
by the way, Laura Senko had made an
argument. I'm going to kind of steal her
idea, but she was talking about, look,
there really is an importance between
Pier and Oldberg, and she left it at
that. But to to to add to that thought,
right now, Olberg versus Pier is the
smallest fight that we've talked about.
We I understand that that that isn't
this huge blockbuster. Here's the
problem, though. If goes on to be great,
if Berg wins his next five fights, for
example, which is going to kick the can
down the road three years, it's
definitely going to put around a belt
around his waist. If it's going to
involve Uncle Lie, if it's going to
involve Posa. That's where in hindsight
we look back and go, "Wait a minute.
Pierre didn't clean that division out.
Pier didn't fight." And it's one of
these things where later in life, you
look back on it. Charles Olivera was
pursuing this with Kabib. Charles comes
in the back. When King Kabib steps down,
Charles becomes the guy. At the time
though, that Kabib was here. Charles was
number four. And it was very easy for
all of us to say that Kabib has cleaned
out the division. We didn't know how
good Charles was. So when Charles comes
in, he fights Justin Gi, he fights uh uh
Porier.
He fought Chan Leo Poor.
Yeah. But when when he did that, he
finished them both. Kabib finished them
both, but Charles had finished them both
in a combined 63 seconds faster. I'm
only sharing where you're like all of a
sudden the conversation comes of wait a
minute, was this the right guy? Gib
Kabib beatated everybody. That's the one
thing where Oldberg versus Pierre, if
you can do the fight, if it's the right
fight, that's where to Laura Senko's
point, it could be important is more for
the future looking back.
Hey, chill. Uh yeah, it's it's crazy to
think about all that's happening in
these divisions. And with the UFC not
really willing to uh let people be
double champion anymore, that light
heavyweight division would open up. If
Pereira does say, I would like to fight
for the UFC heavyweight championship,
which to me, Pereira can do pretty much
whatever he wants at this point because
he's done so much in such a short period
of time and he's meant so much to the
UFC. Chill. I'm going to wrap the show.
I know it's going to be a quick one
because I've been struggling. Hey, I
fought some tough fights. I've fought
some tough fights in my life. I am sick
as a dog right now, chill. I've been
pausing. I've been blowing my nose. It's
crazy, bro. I got napkins everywhere
right now. So, we got to wrap this show.
I'm sorry, CH. I know you like to go a
little longer, but uh we going to cut
this one at about 35 minutes, guys. So,
hey, for Joe Southern, I'm Daniel
Cormier. Thank you for joining. Good
guy, Bad Guy. Until next time, peace.
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