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On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy…The Bad Guy is doubling down on his now viral comments that Tom Aspinall should have continued fighting after being poked in the eyes by Cyril Gane. But does DC agree with the hot take that ruffled feathers across the MMA community? Then, there’s a new Women’s Strawweight Champion of the world and her name is Mackenzie Dern! DC breaks down his heartfelt moment with Dern and her daughter that gave fight fans all the feels. Plus, is she making the right move calling for the likes of Tatiana Suarez or Zhang Weili as her next opponent? And, Jon Jones says he’s down to fight Alex Pereira at the White House. Find out if the guys believe this could be the biggest Heavyweight title fight in UFC history. Their answer may surprise you!
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Jon Jones is like, "Right, right, Jill." Jon Jones is like,
"I got him. I got him." Fish on the line, Jill. You know when you throw, when you cast, you just hope to catch
something, a little fish. But when you catch that big mouth bass, you start celebrating. Jones probably feels right
now he's got that big mouth bass.
What's happening guys? Welcome to another episode of Good Guy Bad Guy. I'm Chale. He's Daniel and partner. Let me
start you with this. And still apparently doesn't necessarily mean you
won. There's another way to hold on to that belt. Yes. Yes, there is. Chill.
Today's episode will I actually I don't know how you get through Saturday night without making a new enemy. I remember
when Alex Pada had a hit out on you. He had a hit out on you. And now Tom Aspenol is about to have a hit out on
you too because Saturday night Tom Aspenol remained the heavyweight champion. But he got poked in the eye.
Now there was no long-term damage. At least that's the initial report that we are getting. Tom will then see
specialists and everything when he gets back to England. But chill on Saturday night. You're sitting with Brennan Fitzgerald and Anthony Smith and this is
what you had to say. Being poked in the eye is illegal, Brendan, but to fight with one eye is very common. The
opponent's trying to hit your eyes, trying to bust up and make your make your nose bleed. So, so that part of it does have question for guys like Anthony
and I. We're trying to be polite. We're trying to show grace, but but in all fairness, if you're the heavyweight champion of the world, you got to fight
with one eye at times. There was something about the way that the story was being told, the way that it was
being held on the eye and never removed. I mean, don't forget this cloth that he had in his eye contained an ice cube.
This wasn't some kind of a magic cloth that was going to cure a cornea or something that was wrong with your eye or even take swelling away. It contained
an ice cube and I've checked out of fights before. I know what it looks like and I knew that he was done. He said, "I
got I got poked in the eye. I can't see." If you got poked in the eye and you're injured, we have a totally
different conversation. If you get poked in the eye and you can't see, generally in our sport, that's that that's just something you've got to push through.
Joe, you you you didn't pull no punches. You didn't pull no punches on what you
thought about Tom Aspenol. So now you've had a couple days to think about it. My question to you becomes, do you double
down Ch or do you walk it back after you thought about it? You're talking about
the heavyweight champ. Do you walk it back or do you stick firm with the words that you spoke on Saturday night?
Well, sweet of you to give me the opportunity. But I I've got to tell you, when that fight was over, I was mad. I'm
still mad as a fan. I'm bothered. Now, in fairness, I will admit to you, I don't know where that energy should go.
Tom did nothing wrong. So, it seems as though I shouldn't blame Tom, right? He's out there doing his fight.
Something against the rules happens to Tom. I'm not mad at Surreal in the least. And Surreal is the one that
caused this entire thing. So, perhaps I do need to relook at this. And then Herszog. Herszog is one of the great
referees and I don't second guess him. But Daniel, we got two things that we don't do to each other. You don't poke him in the eyes and you don't bite him.
When one of those things are violated, it seems to me that no contest is a very
weak thing out. If somebody cheated, you disqualify them.
If somebody needs to push through something, you don't give them the option. And and I really don't blame the
referee or the call here, but we've seen this many times. This was not just a poke. This was a double poke. And
whether you think that was unintentional or not, at some point it doesn't matter anymore. It's not one, it was two done
at once. I don't agree with no contest. I am still angry at no contest. I think very much that fight could have
continued. I think if we're being fair, that fight was a lot harder than people thought that it was going to be and
there was an opportunity to regroup with your belt. Try try again. All of those things happened and I don't apologize
for saying any of them, just to be really clear. Okay. Okay. So, here's my thoughts,
right? It's been a couple days. is I sat 15 hours flying back thinking about what I had witnessed the night before. One
Tom Aspenol I like a lot. I think he can be a great heavyweight champion.
I don't know how Tom didn't recognize that that there is there's one statement
you cannot say. Only one. There's only one thing you absolutely cannot say
inside of a fight and that's I can't see. Like there once you say I can't see
there's no coming back from it. like the fight is over. And we were sitting there and obviously when you're doing the
broadcast, you're kind of speculating as to what's going to happen next. But there was a feeling inside of my gut
that told me I knew what was going to happen because he murmured those words. You cannot say I can't see. The moment
you say that, everybody starts to prepare for the end of the fight. That's
just the god honest truth. So Jason Herszog is giving him many opportunities. the the ringside
physician came in. The ringside physician says there's no damage to the eye. Da da da da da. He but he said he
can't see. He goes, I told him that there's no damage, but he said he continues to say he can't see. So, I don't want to keep talking to him
because I think the rings opposition didn't want to continue to talk to him, Joe, because it would have felt like he
was guiding him into fighting when that's not his job. Herszogall gave him all the opportunities in the world and
he couldn't. to Tom's defense. Bro, he got poked in the eye really bad. He got
poked in the eye really bad. For me though, the deep eye poke was on the
left eye. The scratch down was on the right eye. So, now we get to learn
what's more damaging, right? What's more damaging? So many people this week goes,
"You got pulled by Stipe and you kept fighting." Well, I wasn't the heavyweight champion. I was still trying to get the belt back and I knew that was
the last time I would ever walk to an octagon. He's got more days ahead of him. So if you live to fight another
day, it was like a couple weeks ago when the corner threw in the towel, you fight another day. If you can't see and you're
the reigning the reigning defending champion and you can't see, do you don't
fight? Do you have too much to lose? Sh. We we always try to measure the smart
decision versus the honorable decision. I thought Anthony Smith was very honorable when
Jon Jones needed him in the head on the ground. I thought Anthony Smith also was dumb. He should have took the win, went home as the champion and then came back
and collected some pay-per-view points in the rematch. That's just me. Honorable versus smart. I think Tom
Aspenol just made the smart decision and that ultimately upset a lot of people. I agree with that, too. I I do think
that that was the right decision. And I do think that that was the smart decision. Tom's got one thing to do, which is to leave that arena with the
title that he brought in to to that arena. I I I will share this Daniel the
and and the clip that you saw of Anthony and I to give you a little context. What we had talked about just before that,
the intent behind a guy was fouled. Now, let's turn to the guy to do you want to
continue. The intent there was in case a guy was injured accidentally
unintentionally, but that unintentional led to an injury. We only had one statement by Tom. I give Tom full grace.
He he doesn't have to be perfectly right in the moment. But that's what Anthony and I were forced to speak to is the words he said. He said, "I got poked in
the eye and I can't see." That's a very big difference from I'm poked in the eye. My eye has been
injured. I am terrified. I've got to get to the back and I've got to get medical personnel. I'm scared. It's it's it's a
very different thing. And Anthony and I's point, I can just remember doing sparring rounds where Clayton was running the room and he would yell to
the whole room, "Close your left eye." All right, two minutes later, open your left eye. Close your right eye. Breathe through your nose, not your mouth.
Breathe through your mouth, not your nose. This was in case your eye got swollen shut or in case your nose got broken and you couldn't breathe. It was
something that we learned to push through. I'm not saying that Tom
wimped out of a fight. I'm just speaking to that situation to the referee even. He wasn't poked once, he was poked
twice. this entire unintentional business. It's It's frustrating as a fan. I've never poked somebody in the
eye, Daniel. Never in practice, never in a wrestling match, never in a fight. I can't relate to it. I think that the guys that do do it and do it
consistently, I don't think that there's just an unintentional factor to it. And now it cost us, you know, what what
could have been a really great match. Hey, you know what I'd love to break down with you though is what was happening in that match. We did get 2
minutes and 33 seconds and those boys were fighting. They were fighting. Well, chill. For the record, I have poked a
couple eyes in my life. I'm not going to lie to you. I've been poked. I didn't mean to poke him in the eye. I swear to
God, I didn't. I know. Hey, I know I'm like the nature boy. If you I'm like, "Hey, John Smith,
greatest wrestler of all time. I did something in the match and I was like, I kind of feel like I cheated, coach." He
goes, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying." And I was like, well, if John Smith can say he won six Olympic med six
Olympic medals in world titles, six world and Olympic medals, I'm listening to this dude. Anyhow,
the fight ended in the way that it did. It sucked, right? The only question was, should it have been a disqualification?
Tom said that he was warned twice prior to it happening. He felt like it should
have been a disqualification. But chill, boy. inside the fight on in the squared
circle between the numbers or between that line whatever you want to call it.
It was a fight and sirro gan came to play chro
and it was very evident from the very start of the fight. Normally sirro is a guy that bounces around on the outside.
He took the space and went right at Aspenol. And what was surprising to me or what was exciting to me was Tom was
bloodied up. Nose was all jacked up and he was smiling. It was almost like he liked the idea that someone was in there
fighting him because everybody else jail have been hit with a a simple one two they fall. Not sir gone. And
guess what? I don't care if it's in October, November, December, January, February,
when they fight, if Sirrogon fights like that, it's always a hard fight for Tom
Aspenol, regardless of how good Tom Aspenol is, because Sirrogon is that good.
So, the morning of the fight, Tom grew his advantage uh with the with the Bookers to a 3.5. He he'd been riding
kind of a a 3 to one favorite. It actually grew just before the fight to to three and a half. And I will just
tell you if they were to come out with a line right now, it's going to be much tighter and there's a slight chance that
Surreal would be a favorite for a little bit of time and it's it's going to change, but that is really going to go off about dead even money. I think that
we saw enough in that fight to realize these guys have something for each other. I think that Tom having that
takedown stuffed gave Surreal tremendous uh confidence maybe going into the next fight. And
then Surreal is a professional kickboxer. He was floating and he was moving very well. Tom threw that same
one two you're talking about that put six other men down, but Surreal was able to just take a little bit off it. He was
able to just block and roll at the right time and return. He looked like a very seasoned standup fighter. I got to give
Surreal that credit. There's some other people that said, "Hey, Tom was beating him up to that point." Well, maybe, but
Tom was also starting to open his mouth. He was starting to huff and puff a little harder than he had in the past. I
think Surreal got Tom's respect. And I think when we do see that fight, both of these guys are likely to look different.
Serial gun is good. Tom Aspenol recognized that before the fight. Even when we sat down for an interview. He
told me, he goes, "I don't understand how so many people, the media, the the the talking heads and pundits, the
betters and oddsmakers, I don't understand how they are overlooking Sir
Gan to this degree. This these are Tom Aspenol's words. They're wrong.
I at times shale when we fight people especially when you're a big favorite I
have I was lucky enough in my career to enter fights title fights are regular as big favorites with Dan Henderson I was a
big favorite obviously Vulcanos Demir and a couple of those other guys I was big favorites
every time I spoke to how dangerous they were with the idea and the truth in my
mind that they weren't and it just so happened to work out that way but imagine if it didn't jail. Imagine if it
got harder. So, I don't know if Tom was putting on that he respected Sirill so
much, but if he was trying to sell the fight and put on that this guy was a
real opponent, there will be no putting on the next time. If that respect wasn't
true, if it was a show, as mine was a show on a few occasions,
listen, he will know and he will be better for it. Look, the the rematch,
right, got a lot harder for Sirill Ghan regardless of if Tom respected him this
time because now Tom Aspenol is going to know what Sirro Khan can do and he's felt him before, felt the speed, the
athleticism because me and John Anick talked about this on the show, Jill, in terms of athletes, Tom's a great athlete
at heavyweight, but pure athlete, round ball,
football, soccer, ball. I'd pick Sirill Gan if we were on a schoolyard somewhere
and we were putting together a team because I know Sirill can do all I mean he's dunking like he is Dominique
Wilkins and Michael Jordan. It's not he's not just jumping up with two hands and putting it in the rim. He's like windmilling. He's doing it backwards.
I'm like zero God's an athlete. I'll tell you what uh I believe the fans got
a little bit closer to their dream fight of Jon Jones versus Pier with this outcome and the fact that we're going to
redo it. Tom and Surreal are off the board and reserved for each other. I think that fight got a little bit closer. And the big loser in this whole
thing is poor Vulkov. I mean, I thought Vulov beat Surreal when they fought. I know that he lost the decision. I
believe the UFC booked Volkov on this very card as kind of a quiet backup position in case
Saturday. Yeah, in case they could put him to the main event. Then he gets past Jay Almeida. I'm sorry if I'm cutting you
off. Jay Almeida is a terrible match up though. And and Volkov wins. I think Volkov was very proud of himself watching the main event, studying his
next opponent, and that's just not the case. Now, Volkov also is going to have to find a new partner.
Did he win jail? Did you think Vulkov won that fight? Even though Yes, I did. Yes, I didn't. I watched it.
I watched it with ESPN, and I will tell you, I we kind of talk about that in the room. You got this whole room of experts. Hey, who won? And it was pretty
split down the middle and none of us were bullish. I thought they were going to give the decision to Almeida, that is
who I thought was going to win the fight, but I didn't really have an argument when they gave it to Volkov. Then they threw up the tail of the tape.
They threw up some of the numbers. And Volkov, as far as damage goes, those elbows did do at least by the numbers
more damage. So, I was a little bit surprised. Yes. But I don't argue with it. Hey, uh, real quick, Jon Jones added an
eye patch to his duck profile picture. Yeah. Is it petty? It It is. It is petty, but
it's But it's entertaining. It's petty, but it's entertaining, isn't it? It's great. It's great. Jon Jones
doesn't usually get them right. PR perspective, whoever's been advising him lately has a pretty good sense of humor.
I must admit that. Yeah, he generally does not get it right. He usually comes off corny and weird like he is. But, uh, yeah, that
one was actually pretty funny because all he's had to deal with with Tom Aspenol is the positive and people
thinking that he would beat him. But John uh, Chill, I don't even know. We
might have gotten closer to Jon Jones, Tom Aspenol after John watched Tom Aspenol fight Zero Gone last weekend
because, you know, you threw something, you said something very interesting just as the broadcast was going off air. But you
talked about the rematch of Tom and Surreal and you threw out a date of December 6th and I hope that catches on.
That's when I want it as well. If there's no injury, quick turnaround, no weight cutting issue. Daniel, have you
heard anything about that? No, I have not. All right. cuz I hope I hope your idea comes to fruition. December 6th,
T-Mobile solves a lot of problems in my opinion. 8 to nine weeks, get ready. We got a we got the flyweight title. Put the big
boys on the top of them or something. They got to fight December or January is what they need to do these guys. All
right, chill. Speaking of Joten Almeida, so thank you so much for that YouTube video with Tom Aspenol. him and I were
talking and uh we got like this this this hot the mic was on me and I was
talking to Tom about the heavyweight division. You had it right. You had it
right, Chill. I was literally trying to tell him you could possibly be on the verge of something tremendously special
right now. Right. What I was saying was that in that statement I was saying
Jaotin's going to grapple you. Right. It's not as dangerous a fight. And I
could have done a better job of saying that to Tom. Now, I was a little upset
that Tom didn't release that if I'm being honest with you. I thought when when you lean in, ch when you lean into
someone and you're talking quietly, that's a private conversation that should stay between you and the athlete. Uh I thought it was embedded. And I know
that embedded would never do something like that. But regardless of what you're saying, whether you're saying it in
justest or you're being honest, like Jay Almeida deserves respect, and I do respect him and I felt bad, man, because
he's been so nice to me uh since he got into the UFC. And I think Jay Almeid is
a great guy. Uh I think that he does need to round out his game because the grappling is elite, man. But there's no
damage. And even Dana went up there after the fight and was like, I'm so glad that Vulov won because you don't
get to just take somebody down and hold them down. You sign up to go fight, chill, and uh you have to fight. You
really have to just go out there and fight. And I think Jay is going to watch that last fight and be very upset about
uh about that performance and not getting a decision. But it was it was it's good to see that the judges are
getting it right. It's not going to be just take a guy down and hold him. the taked down doesn't count as much anymore. It's what you do once you get
somebody to the ground. Yeah, I agree with that. And and where would you think like a Jaden goes from
here or uh a Volkov? I really feel that those guys and if we are going to redo Tom and Surreal, it would make sense to
have a backup fighter, which is a position that I think Volkov could go in. And I know I'm a little bit ahead of myself, but there's such fallout. It's
such a domino effect. When Tom said I can't continue, the reason that was such a domino effect is because we have to
rematch them. And that's just what history says. Dana went to the press fight uh postfight press conference and he said that he goes, "I never do this,
but we have no choice. We have to rematch them." Which just meant Volkov Almeida, they're not getting that
opportunity. Yeah, Almeida is going to be uh he's going to have to build his way back, right? He had put together a victory
after getting beat by Curtis Blades and was on the verge of a title fight, but I think it speaks to the division, right?
The division is not necessarily deep. So, a win or two can put you right back in position. And I think that uh he has
the opportunity to do that. He also is not that big. He's there was always a thought that he can go to 205. Maybe he does that. Bulkov is the one that's in a
very unique uh situation because I don't know what's going to happen for him. Chill. In the co-main event, Mackenzie
Dur became the world champion. And uh honestly, I don't know McKenzie Dur
well. I know Mackenzie through fighting. I have watched this young lady from the start of her career. And I have seen her
come from Brazilian jiu-jitsu with expectation when she won that belt chill.
I spoke to her as a person that's watched the entire journey and dude,
ESPNW did like a they took the final part of our interview and they put this like
very like soft music where I told Mackenzie she should be proud of herself. It was so good. It was so well
done because it felt like I was a a an an elder speaking to her. When I finished, she gave me a hug because it
has to be a relief for her to accomplish those goals because chill, the weight of
expectation crushes so many. And this young lady was able to deal with that
and become a world champion. It was a massive night for her. It was a fight. I
mean, she made it a fight. She was getting down and dirty. She's on her back in this guard position which she
grew up second generation is Wellington megaton. You know you hear those stories with like Floyd Mayweather
or something but with a father daughter. It's a unique situation and this is the position he trained her in. But when she got to her guard in this fight, Daniel,
she starts throwing punches like it's a parking lot. She starts throwing elbows. I mean when you want to talk about who
wants it more, show me how important this is to you. Show me your grit. Dig deep. That was all Mackenzie Durn. and
she had one glaring number against her which is I don't know that anybody's been taken down nine times and come out
of a contest the winner but she was fighting from those positions and she was so off I mean she just wanted it
she's doing moves that aren't even moves they're just tough guy stuff where she was biting down and bringing violence
and bringing anger to her opponent I was very happy for her she has made her private life public she has shared with
us what's going on and a divorce and separation so then they bring that beautiful daughter in at At the end of
the night, she puts the belt around her. It was a real feel-good moment. And in cage fighting, we don't get a lot of
real feelgood moments. Nothing against the opponent, but I must tell you on a
human level, that was something special to see. And if you were trying to break down the X's and O's of what happened,
McKenzie Durn, one of the great technicians of our sport, went and made it a dog fight.
Yeah, she fought. And it was another one of those fights, Shill, where the person that spent the vast majority of time on
their back won. So the judges now, right, the judges are going, we know how to judge these fights. And if you're
going to try to hold someone down and if you're going to do takedowns to avoid the fight, it's ultimately going to cost
you. And we saw that with Vina Jangoba. Vina was actually wrestling because she had to. Mackenzie was out striking her
again. She was mean. She's tough, man. And that's one of the things I think people get confused because Mackenzie
Durn's a pretty girl. Doesn't matter. She will try to take your head off, dude. I spoke to her dad after the
fight. I go, "Your daughter's a world champion." I go, "How are you not crying?" He goes, "When I hugged her in the octagon," he goes, "I I started to
tear up." He goes, I said, "You watch your kid become a world champ on so many different occasions." He goes, "But
nothing ever like this." You know, he's he's a you could tell he's a tough guy, too, because his face is made of
leather. I'm like, "This Megaton, this dude is he's strong, bro. He's I didn't realize how short the guy was. When I
went up to him, he's like a small dude, but he's tough. It was crazy. McKenzie then said, "I'd like to fight Tatiana
Suarez or I would fight Jean Lee if she came back down to 115 cha." To call out
Tatiana Suarez is kind of crazy because for so long people have avoided Tatiana
Suarez. Is that because McKenzie feels she deserves it or do you think it's
more telling because Tatiana's last couple of performances uh one was against Jeang Lee where she got beat uh
pretty bad and then her in her last fight could Eric could you give me who Tatiana fought last she didn't dominate
like we had seen her in fights prior. Why is Mackenzie Dur calling out Tatiana
Suarez? Oh, wait. So, so a fighter, particularly a champion, has one job, and it's the same job every time, which
is to get the easiest opponent for the biggest paycheck. But when you talk to them when they're high in the moment,
when they've got that adrenaline and everything comes out of their I remember every fighter was calling out George St. Pierre. Once they cool down, they
realize, I don't want to be fighting that guy. And I'm only sharing with you like I do think in this moment with Mackenzie, this is when she's at her
realist. This is when she is calling for the stiffest competition saying I want to show and I want to prove it. And that
is where Tatiana comes in. Tatiana Suarez is awesome. And she has dominated everybody except for the one fight where
she got beat. And I think it's the right matchup. Not to mention stylistically it's a nightmare. McKenzie who's a world
champion on her back right off of jiu-jitsu and Tatiana Wares who's one of the most accomplished women wrestlers to
ever get involved with the sport. I think that's why she called her out. I love that matchup. I don't like the
immersion of way Lee. I do understand that if we Lee was to return to the division, she used to be queen. I get
that. But there's some kind of a penance that must be paid when you leave a division. You don't get to come back and
be queen of the very group that you were supposed to be leadership of and you walked away from. And I don't know that the rankings actually agree with what
I'm saying, but there is something to that. And I don't think that they should just say whether Durn should she return.
Why left the division? If she wants to start over like everybody else, get in line. Chill. I'm going to tell you this right
now. You could if Way loses and decides she wants to go back to 115. Chill. You
can push her in a wheelchair. She get in the title fight. She can you can she can crawl back to that weight class. She get
in the title fight. She want to do push-ups back to the weight class. She doing If she wants to major if she wants
to moonwalk like Michael Jackson, he's going to walk right into a title. Major
point. That is just that is just what's happen. I get it. I get what you're saying. Like I don't think you should.
But man, after what she had did, she's getting the title fight. But for that
division though, they would hope that Jeang Lee wins in November because it
starts the whole division fresh. We have a new champion for the first time in a very long time. And if I'm being
completely honest, it was hard to see any of these women truly challenging
Jeang Lee at the level that she was fighting right now because Vina Janjoba
was essentially the number one contender. If she showed up as she did last weekend to fight Jean Lee, I would
have imagined she would have probably gotten finished because Jeang Lee is just that good. So, it's great for
McKenzie. It was a great story. It's always great when someone accomplishes their goals and you're in there, right?
Like people always say to us, Chill, hey man, you don't you don't like retirement. Does it suck? I'm like,
dude, we're still we're lucky. We're still a part of the show. We are actually still a part of the show. Chill, you go walk into an arena. Chill
chill chill PC. We still get all that. Like there is no missing it in retirement. While you miss the
competition, you're a part of the show. So to be a part of these moments where you could feel the love for McKenzie and
her parents and her child, it was uh it was it was amazing, man. I'm so happy
that uh I got this as a job. So congrats to Mackenzie Dur on becoming the UFC strawweight champion and accomplishing
all of her goals. Uh after the eye poke, Alex Pereira says it's time to make the
heavyweight division great again. Right? That's no to the president. To that, Jon Jones responds. Alex, I'd be down to
bring the highest skill level to the White House. I appreciate the respect you showed. Let's dance. Jon Jones is
like, "Right, right, Joe." Jon Jones is like,
"I got him. I got him." Fish on the line, Jill. You know when you throw it,
when you cast, you just hope to catch something, a little fish. But when you catch that big mouth bass, you start
celebrating. Jones probably feels right now he's got that big mouth bass because he seems like he's closer to the Pereira
fight more close than he's ever been. I agree with that. Jon Jones does not appear to to to get it. He He just
doesn't. As successful as he's been in this business, he doesn't really pay attention to it. Look, it's very difficult to book Jon on the White House
card. And every fighter is talking about White House and every fighter is equally annoying. That that is a a makeshift
card. Just for example, we don't know what time it airs. We don't know where tickets are on sale. We don't know what time the doors open. We know nothing
about it because the card isn't here yet. And if Jon Jones would like to be part of that, I think it's very obvious
that he just needs to do something first. February would be a very realistic date for Jon Jones to start
talking about. But to be talking about something that is three seasons away. I mean, I just share for you like it's
really annoying. And if the stipulation was, I'll, you know, Jon Jones I'll fight Alex Pier and it's got to be at
the White House. Pierre is going to go, well, I'm not interested. I'm not going to sit on the sidelines at 37 years old
when I've got a world championship right now and I can get pay-per-view points three times before then. And that seems
to be one thing that John keeps missing. He adds the White House. He adds the White John, take that out. Just cuz it's
so far away, you could end up on a White House card, but if you're calling out somebody today, nobody except Jon Jones
wants to be in this sport without doing the sport. He is the only guy that enjoys not being in the octagon.
Everybody else is trying to get paid. Everybody else is trying to get to the next walk and make it to the next town.
If they did that fight, by the way, what exactly is Alex telling us? At some point, we got to take a guy at his word.
Every indication is I thank you for saying that because if that is the case, at some point we need to accept that and
we need to take the light heavyweight belt back and we need to get on with it. I don't know if we're at that point, but
I deor made it very clear to us, I'm not coming home. Islam made it very clear to
us, I'm going up to 170. I feel like Alex is doing the same thing, but half of our community is trying to book him
at allergy's excited about him at Jones. We got to listen to him. And if he's telling us
I'm no longer a light heavyweight, thank you for your time served. Give us the belt back and let's get on with it.
Yeah, Dana put cold water on that right away though. On that night, he goes, "Hey man, he's got some fights in this
division I would like to see him do first." But you're right, he is he is almost adamant that he is done with this
division. He wants big fights. And I think when you start to round out your career, uh, 37, I don't care how good
you are, right? At 37, 38, you got to start to slow down. I can't imagine we
would see him be as active as he was before, but if anybody's going to try, it's going to be this guy. But I think
that the one problem is if they let him go to heavyweight, it's going to have to be permanently because when he goes up,
that dude goes up. remember he was a middleweight. By the time he walked in at Octon at 205, even though he was
telling us, I want to go back to middleweight and challenge for the belt. I was like, man, there's no way this dude is getting back to 185. No way he
was getting back to 185. And if he goes to heavyweight and he fights Jon Jones, this potentially could be the greatest
heavyweight fight of all time in terms of build. In terms of the build, I don't
know that we've ever seen one that would be as important as Jon Jones versus Alex Peda. Would would you agree with me
though that that if you're putting elements of the fight together and one of the conditions is you wait you fight absolutely nobody you
wait until almost July of next year. Do you agree the way that you know Alex on
a personal level that's not he's not going to go for that? No. Pereira is not going to do it. He's going to fight before. But that's the
thing though, right? Pereira's got to fight either February or March and then cuz he'll want to fight again if he's
supposed to fight him in June. The issue is Pereira has a broken foot. But because he has a broken foot, that may
be why Jones is saying, "Let's just do it at the White House. We'll both take some time. You heal. I'll get back ready
to go and then we can do it on the White House lawn," which would be tremendous. It' be an amazing uh fight. And uh Jones
will probably be a pretty big favorite in that fight against Alex Pereira. So, it works. All right, chill. Hey, man. It
was a long travel back. The jet lag's killing me. I was up since 3:30 in the morning this morning hanging out. Uh,
I'll see you on Thursday. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, you're the man. Ch for ch sunning.
I'm Daniel Cormier. That was good guy, bad guy. We will catch you guys on Thursday. Peace.