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On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy, the "Blessed Express" is pulling into New Orleans, Louisiana for another BANGER vs. Dustin Poirier for UFC 318. It’s Max Holloway’s first fight back from suffering a NASTY KO and with his BMF Title on the line and the possibility of going 0-6 in the two trilogies of his career. Is this a MUST-WIN fight? Plus, Derrick Lewis does what he does best, knock dudes out and give EPIC post-fight interviews. So, should the UFC book him to fight Tom Aspinall next for the Heavyweight strap? And the ESPY for Fighter of the Year goes to…Merab Dvalishvili!
0:00 Introductions
3:21 BMF Title Max vs. Poirier
9:17 What does the win mean for Max?
18:25 Who wraps belt around winner’s waist?
22:58 Derrick Lewis wins again!
28:53 Lewis in line for title shot?
31:4 Merab gets ESPY for fighter of the year
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Video Transcript
Cool black guys don't say like yeah they say like what's up like sup
is what I get from cool black dude. Are you implying little John is not a cool black guy?
Uh but yeah he screams gay. What?
[Music]
What's happening guys? Welcome to another episode of Good Guy, Bad Guy. I'm Chale. He's Daniel. And moments ago,
before we turned the cameras on, Daniel was in the middle of telling me a story. He said, "Wait, I'm going to save it for the show, partner. I can't wait
anymore." How does the story go? Okay, so Brian, you know, he was like the cameraman, starts doing jiu-jitsu. He
told me today he's a guest instructor at a seminar. So, okay, Brian, you're
teaching. First off, that's massive. But it also kind of reminded me this, right? So you uh a dude throws on a ghee.
You're learning from him. When I was growing up, there was a guy named Bui. Seriously, that's the name. B O K E.
In the ghetto, nobody wears a ghee. In the ghetto, all we know about mixed martial arts is what we saw with Bruce
Lee and Chuck Norris. And what did Chuck Norris wear? A ghee. Bui would throw that ghee on chill and he would pretend
karate in front of the car wash. I would have learned from him jail. Everybody
was afraid of him. He was a guy that had spent some time in prison. When he got out, he would be
and he would do all this weird stuff. Kick into the air and everybody was afraid of him. Jill, we thought his
hands and kicks were deadly weapons. They might have been. I mean, how do you
know it's fake karate, by the way? I'm into bouquet. I'm into the whole gimmick. That happens to me in real life. I go into a doctor's office
somewhere dude's wearing a a white coat and he's got that that thing thing. That's a doctor. That's a doctor.
I wouldn't question it. All you got to do is play the part in my mind and I'm like, yo, this dude is dangerous. He
would stand there, man. He'd be doing kicking and everything. He He is a He is a Lafayette legend for his karate.
I love it. We're growing up. And now he's an ESPN legend. Hey, Daniel, by the way, I was a fake black belt at one point.
Wait, what? I went to one day of jiu-jitsu in my life. It was with Mark Schultz and Mark Schultz told me, "You
are whatever belt you're tough enough to compete at." I became a black belt just like that. I
took that little story back to Eugene, Oregon when I transferred, went into a gym, and signed up as a black belt. And
these two purple belts wore me out for about 20 minutes. And I realized that's not true. There's actually some moves
and techniques to this. Yes, Ryan and Harold. I'll never forget that. And they never teased me for it. They always let
it slide. And I appreciated that. Jill, you can't just listen to Mark Schultz, man. You know, you know Mark,
you can't just listen to Mark, man. I'll run across Mark every now and again, and you cannot just listen to Mark Schultz.
Chill. Last weekend, Mark Schultz is a legend, by the way, and just one guy that that
done did so much in wrestling that Chill and I appreciate him. But another guy we appreciate that is a legend. He's the
knockout king is Dererick Lewis. We'll get to what he did last weekend in a little bit. But ch is fight week. It's
UFC 318 fight week. It goes down in New Orleans on the bayou. It's the farewell
of Dustin Porier. But he's not only that. He's not the only part of the story. We'll be live in Louisiana on
Thursday. So we're going to spend the whole show on Dustin. today. Let's talk about the blessed express jail. Max
Holloway, right? He has become a bit of a uh
he is a bit of a a a a a uh a side character because Dustin's retirement
has become the main focus of the fight. But Max Holloway is nobody's side character. Max Holloway is the BMF
champion and Max Holloway still has plans to not only defend his BML belt
and beat Dustin Porier and send him off on the loss, but this dude still has championship aspirations. What do you
make of Max Holloway going into this fight this weekend? Well, okay, you talk about a side
character, and I see it the same way, but excuse me, that side character is the one bringing the belt that we're fighting for. I mean, Max Holloway, this
guy's a legend. Look, I don't have to go back any further than two weeks ago to tell you when I moved up from 145, he
was met with some resistance. There was some question. Will he be big enough? Will he be powerful enough? Here we are
two weeks removed from that. Nobody's asking that about Max. Now, the reason for that is Max's already been to 155.
We know he's got the power. We saw what he did, for example, with Justin Gate. But just to remind you, that was a title
fight. Then to remind you, in Max's very next fight, it was a different title at a different weight class. And now to
remind you, he's going into his third title fight. That deserves something. And Daniel, this is a very unique
situation. The odds makers right this second have it minus 105 to plus 125.
Now Ian Parker would not call that even money, but I do. For for loose language, that's even money. And to see a trilogy
fight where they did not split the first two. Not to mention, there is something that's very true in boxing and somewhat
true in MMA, but your first fight back from a knockout isn't generally this
great thing. Max has never been knocked down. He was knocked down and knocked out and none of these things are being
brought into question. There's a lot of people that believe he's going to go out and to win this fight. I think that's very respectful, but if I'm to be fair,
it surprised me. Who's the favorite? Who's the favorite at Dustin? Dustin is officially the
favorite, but barely. Barely. Okay, let let me let me kind of think about what you said. So, you said
Max is the underdog. It doesn't generally go well when you've gotten knocked out. Yes, that's absolutely true, but it's been some time. Max has
done the right thing. You remember when V got knocked out, he rushed back. Vault got knocked out in October, fought in
January or February. Max has said, "Let me wait. It's all the way to July." So, you give yourself a little bit of time
to recover. Let the chin refresh and everything. And you're right, he never been knocked out. With that being said,
Dustin Porier is up two. So, he is rightfully the favorite, but I think the
reason it's so close is because of what we saw when Max was at 155 the last
time, especially 155 healthy. The first time we saw him fight Dustin for the
interim title, he just got big. You remember when he was going to be brought
in to fight Khabib in Brooklyn, he couldn't really make the weight because he was so big for 155 even though he was
a 145 pounder. But when we saw him against Justin Gatei, he was in shape.
He looked lean. He looked strong. And then he fought a wonderful fight. So I
get why the line is as close as the line is. And if you respect uh fighting, you
should respect Max Holloway and his ability because what Ilia did isn't
abnormal because it's Max Holloway. He's done it to everyone. So, at this point,
Ilia is just knocking guys out. So, him knocking Max Holloway out is just kind of part for the course or at least it
seems that way. One thing it hasn't done though, it hasn't deterred Max. Max is
talking a lot about Ilia this week. Do you like that or do you kind of find it as either sour grapes or get through
what you got to get through right now? You have a history with the champ. Maybe that gives you an opportunity. That is
generally the rule. I I will just tell you there is another side of that coin and I actually subscribe to it. The the the worst thing that I could do in my
career, Daniel, was to focus on one guy. By example, if I was to go back and reminisce, my best round was the
semi-final round. You did not want to run into me in the semi-final round. But one thing that would happen in the finals is I was I was focused on one guy
and I'm only sharing with you. I believe Max with his experience is wise enough
to put himself in the best position possible. So I believe that Max must
look at Dustin. He must look at this and realize I don't need to speculate. I don't need to guess. And nothing good comes from
talking about the past. I can talk about the the fight where I lost all five rounds. I could talk about the fight where I exposed my neck. like there
there's no point in talking about Dustin. I'd rather distract myself with something else. And sometimes a real key
is to distract yourself with something more difficult. To kind of prepare yourself for something more difficult so
that what you have to do as trying as it is can feel like a lesser task.
Yeah. You know, I'm trying to get the lightweight rankings right here from uh from Jake and them.
When I look at this fight, there is so much that goes into it. But here's
another level for you, Chill. Max Holloway, if he does not get through this one,
right? Because we'll get to what it means to Max, what it means to Dustin on Thursday.
If Max doesn't get through this one in trilogies, two of them, he'd be 0 and6.
I don't know that we've ever seen a trilogy uh one where it it's 0 and three. Generally, we don't get to that
third fight if a guy has won twice. Um and if Dustin doesn't win this one, he
would be 0 and6 between uh Vulcanowski and Dustin Porier. So, what does it mean
to Max Holloway to get this victory? It has to be much more than just winning a
fight. Not only because he, like I said, he has championship aspirations. he
doesn't want to go 0 and6 in two trilogies, but also because he's fighting a guy that's retiring. There's something to be the guy that's sticking
around. Chale, that means that the pressure is a little bit more on you because you still got to deal with
everything that comes with mixed martial arts after Dustin Porya hits the door. Well, and and not to mention there's no
home field advantage in mixed martial arts. It's a home field disadvantage and they're putting the spotlight on Dustin
and everything's great. But that also means that everybody he's ever met in his entire life that's got his phone number is texting him for tickets and
and opportunities and wants to see him. I'm only sharing for you like I I do like a few things about Max's position,
but if I was to take you back to their last last fight, if we're to use history as the trajectory to the future, one
really interesting thing happened and and you must understand from my perspective, I'm watching this fight with Teddy Atlas and often times when
something will happen, Teddy will come up behind me and he'll just start talking in my ear. He'll say, "Hey, Chel, make sure you're noticing how he
leads with the jab and then he sticks to the left." He kind of preps me for some of the stuff that we're going to do in
the post show. Now Teddy said to me, he's throwing his rhythm off and I
nodded and I said, "Yeah, I can see that, Daniel." I didn't really know what it meant. I didn't fully know what rhythm meant. I mean, you got to be a
very sophisticated fighter. And not to mention, they had a real western boxing match. They slipped in a couple of kicks
and a couple of clinches, but those two really just stood and traded lefts and right hands when the fight was
over. And Dustin was completely dominant, right? Round for pore. Round for pore. Round for pore. Round for por.
Round for py. When the whole thing was done, Dustin comes up to the set at ESPN. And he says, "Max is a rhythm
fighter." So, I knew if I could throw his rhythm off, like I didn't know if it would go out and work, but I had a
strategy to try to throw his rhythm off. If he can't get his first step, he can't get his second and third. He has to
reset. He has to go back to trying to get the first step for the second, for the third. And as long as I could throw that rhythm off, I just thought it was a
very interesting word. And I think that Dustin Porier right now in this moment probably regrets having come on ESPN and
told the world, but he was high. He just won the belt. He drew into this massive fight with Kabib. He beat him twice.
Probably never saw number three. But if we do go back to that word rhythm, if there was something that Dustin could
pick up on by watching tapes of Max, that means that there's a correction that Max could make if he watches those
same tapes. Absolutely. So, when I think back to the second fight in it was in Atlanta, I
remember Dustin just starting so good. And when you talk about interrupting the rhythm, when Max started to string
combinations together, Dustin has this beautiful check right hook that he throws and bang. And he can really hurt
you with it because, as I've said time and time again, his lead hand is his right, but he's a right-handed guy. He
just fights softball because he wants to hit you with that lead hand. And he's developed great power in his left, too.
But then as I watched Max Holloway build his way back into this fight, I knew Dustin Porier was a different
fighter because he fought him back when things started to go south. There were times early in his career with the
Korean zombie where it kind of snowballed on Dustin and he was never able to get back to it. Max Holloway
needs to fight as he did in rounds three and four into round two like he did uh
at the beginning of this fight because that's when he worked his way back into the match and then Duster Pory obviously
fought very well down the stretch to win the interim championship. But for Holloway, it's about getting a victory.
Not only to to He's in the top five at lightweight already, right? He went up in weight class, hasn't fought back
there since he lost to Ilia, and he's already in the top five. So immediately he's on a short list of people. Uh
Arman, Charles, Justin, Max, and Islam is number one for some reason. I don't quite I don't understand how Islam can
vacate the belt and say he's going to welterweight, be the number one contender. he should be out of the rankings cuz it almost seems
disrespectful him to be ranked number one when he was the champion. If he doesn't vacate, there is no number one
uh no new champ. Um so I get it. I get that Max needs a victory, but not only
is it important for future prospects because right now this weight is so jumbled with Patty Arman all just kind
of hanging around the title that he will need probably one more victory to truly earn another shot at Ilia.
But he still has his BMF title at stake this weekend. Jail, all of this. We're
talking about future prospects, the retirement, getting a victory. What about his belt? The BMF title is on the
line. And I think that you and I are two people that really appreciate what this
belt means. That was an incredibly strong analysis by you right there. I I
I really respected that breakdown. Let me ask you one thing. When you're talking about he's got he's got to fight like he did in rounds two and three. How
can Max weaponize pace? Yeah, because that is one thing that he's got
above everybody and I would think even Dustin, but he wasn't able to use it. He wasn't able to to wear him down and tire
him out. Is that a size issue? Does it come back to this word rhythm weaponized his pace?
But that's what it was in the second fight. Dustin was too big and Max wasn't like he even said it. He goes, "I have a
spare tire." He goes, "I'm just gaining weight this time." If we look at the Max Holloway that showed up at UFC 300, he
was not fat. He looked like a legitimate 155 pounder. And Max has pointed to
that. Max goes, "Yo, Max actually said, I've never thought about this." Sh Max
said, he goes, "I think Ilia Taporia's uh win streak is overrated."
We were saying it was the best threeight win streak of all time. Max goes, "It's
overrated because you guys are looking at the names." He goes, "But think about this. Bulk just got knocked out by
Islam. Came back way too fast." He goes, "I got knocked out." Sure. He goes, "But I went up a weight, fought well, came
back down a weight." So he essentially, I think he was saying the weight cut and all the draining himself back down made
him more susceptible to being knocked out. He goes and what about Charles? Charles had won one fight in a row. So Max is doing the right things to kind of
peique interest for a fight against Ilia again. I mean, he's saying the right things, but let me ask you, does it make
you kind of go, "Huh, I never thought about that when I was thinking about those three wins."
Oh, yeah. It it never crossed my mind. And I did actually see where where Max had said that. It never crossed my mind.
I was a little bit critical of the Charles win only because Charles wasn't the guy. He wasn't the number one guy.
Serukqian was. Charles wasn't the champ. Islam was. Charles was really good, but he was one of the guys. I was a little
critical on that one, but but that was just to try to find a critique. This is
interesting. This is very interesting on on what Max is saying when he works himself in there. I I I find that his
obsession with Ilia is also compelling for this one reason. When Max had come up to 155, even the night at 300 where
he captured the BMF title, he never wanted to be a 55 pounder. He never talked about Justin Gatei one time
or Islam or anybody else. All he talked about is I'm gonna win that belt and use that as my golden ticket. I'm gonna cash
it in for my weight class of 145. I do appreciate the fact that he now has
accepted this is his new weight class. When you were talking about how his body looked different and how he was more
fit, I expect him to exceed anything that you've seen before because he was always flirting with the idea of
dropping back down to the one that for whatever personalized reason was more significant to him. But not anymore.
He is now knows that I am a 155 pounder. And look, he cashed that BMF title in to
get a title shot one time. I think within his mind he plans to win this fight, use that and attempt to do it
again against the same guy now though. Isn't that crazy? Poetic justice. But he's a master of getting rematches.
Like we can't just dismiss whatever Max knows. Like however he plays this game,
he's pretty good at getting rematches. Max Holloway has somehow managed to work his way into six rematches while not
winning any of them. Who gets that? That's smart. Max might be the smartest
guy in the world. He's like he's he's literally got fought two guys five times
and he hasn't won a match yet. So yes, he's very good at finding a way back to the guy. So so many people get the BMF
title is special for a number of reasons. One is every time they win,
somebody else straps the belt on them. It's not Dana. The BMF title is something different, right? Mazdall, uh,
The Rock. Who would you like to see strap the belt on the winner this weekend? I got one. If it's Dustin
Porier and if it's Max Holloway, I also have one. It's two different people. I think I would I would love to hear
yours. What What an interesting Will you go first? Give me a minute to process. Who Who would you like to see if it's
Dustin? So Mark Coleman strapped it on the person at UFC 300. Also, hey, if it's Dustin, Lil Wayne, if Lil Wayne is
walking him out, Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne should walk out there and put the belt
on Dustin Porier. I think Lil Wayne should do it. Okay. I didn't know he was buddies with
Lil Wayne, by the way. I didn't know that was a thing. Is Lil Wayne the one that says, "Yeah, yeah."
No, that's that's Lil John, man. What do you do? They look similar. They do. They got long thing.
I think I've seen Lil Wayne at Lil Wayne is very popular, man. He was Don't Don't distract me. Okay. And who
would you do? Who would you do it if it was uh if it was blessed? Okay. So, this one's a little for me.
It's kind of like personal, right? Like I cuz I I watched the disappointment of the last fight. Hey, bro. I'd let his
wife do it because they're so close and she means so much. I I would let Max's
wife do it cuz I saw how dis how sad they were after the after the last fight. Chill. It's not It's not uh just
Max fighting. It's his entire team, his entire family. Like I would let I would let his wife do it. I I because of how
uh how uh how how how much it means to the family or I'd let his son do it. I'd
let his wife or his son do it. Like it's got to be one of those two to strap the belt on that man because I know what it
meant when when I walked into that locker room after that Ilia loss. I know what it would mean to one of them to do
it. But that's very interesting because because now you created my mind where I'm putting myself in his shoes. That
would be very special if your wife or your son or your daughter w was able to put the belt like those are really good
ideas. I got to tell you one that maybe is a little bit more dull. But I when I do think of BMF per I do think of George
Mosol. I like the fact that George put it on Gachi. I like the fact that George and Gachi had heat and George still had
to put it on Gatey while he stood there and took it because that's the procedure. I wouldn't hate that idea. I like the
Mark Coleman. I see where your head's at. I feel like I bombed and ruined this entire segment. Okay. I I must tell I
feel like I I I have a better version of myself that I didn't bring you. But I don't hate the idea of Mosol.
That's a good That's good though, George. But that's what George is, right? He's the guy that essentially created the BMF title.
Do you know Lil Wayne? Are you one of these like, "Oh yeah, put me on Instagram. You and me."
I do. I do. Actually, I actually know him. And you're sure that he never says, "Yeah."
No, he does not say, "Yeah." Have you ever asked him a question? That was if he says yeah.
Take a shortcut to yes. He said if you ask a question. No. It's like what's up? Yeah. Cool black guys don't say like
yeah. They say like what's up? Uh sup like sup. Su is what I get from cool
black dudes. Are you implying little John is not a cool black guy? Uh but yeah he screams
yeah. What? That's the Chappelle. By the way, you know what I'm doing? I'm doing
Chappelle's ver Yeah, it's great. You know, I don't think I don't think you know Lil Wayne as much
as you. Call Lil Wayne. I don't know him great. I don't know him great. I'm not sitting here pretending to be a great friend. Call him right now.
No, I'm not doing that. Are you crazy? All right, just tell me his number. I'll call him.
Hey, only you do that. Only you give away numbers cuz you've given my number
away a couple times. I'm like, chill. Why? That's rude. Yeah, you can't do that, man. I did that to Chad Mendes one
night. I put it on Twitter. Oh, man. I had something the kids call an ambient, which it's like it's a
prescription. It's to help you sleep. And then I thought it was a good idea to put Chad. And by the way, he was getting
ready to fight Connor. Like his life could not have been more busy. He had to take away from fight week to go get a
phone. I have overcorrected. I have kissed Chad's ass every day since then cuz I feel so bad about I will continue
like Chad owns a little part of me. you do that,
you know, I got to square up with him. Yeah. Yeah. What? So, so, so Lil John's like, okay, so
okay, Lil John's a cool black guy. I know a few though. And I was with one the other day in Nashville.
The Black Beast is a cool black guy, man. The He is. Just be honest, Jill. He
is. He is. It doesn't matter if he wins. It doesn't matter if he loses, but if he
wins. Oh my god. The moments, bro. The moment. He fought you over a comment you made
about Popeye's chicken. Like that. That's funny, man. He's Lewis earned a title fight by knocking
out Volkov. Sure. But he said, "My balls is hot." Remember when he goes he took
his pants off and said that and it's become a thing. Dude found himself fighting for the world title. It's
crazy. So, let me ask you a question. Is this man the most exciting person with a
microphone in front of his mouth? Because I don't be knowing what he's going to say. When I'm standing next to him, I'm so concerned as to what he's
going to say, but the moment he starts talking, it's real good. You got Money Mo, you got Patty the
Batty, and you've got the Beast. And they're all for very different reasons. But I I must tell you, the first time I
ever watched a fight and I was in a living room where we're all telling quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet to hear a post-fight interview, no one ever cared
about those. the first time ever where people like sh was for Rampage. I I kind of felt like Rampage was one of the
originals that doesn't get credit for it. But yes, Dererick Lewis is very much in line with that. Listen, DC, I got a
little bit of a hot take for you. Okay, you got to watch the ending of that fight fairly closely to see this, but there is
a clear rule infraction, not once, but twice with the grabbing of the fence. Yes. Now, it it changed the position
though. It got him back up to his feet. So, and I need you to understand that because a lot of times a referee will
let an exchange finish and then make a ruling. Not in a case like that where you lose position. The ref must step in
right then. He will put Texera down. He'll put the Black Beast on top of him and they'll continue from there. The
referee takes a backhand and he gets like piefaced. It was all on accident, but he stepped into the mix. I don't
think he intended to call that a TKO. I don't think he intended to stop that fight. my own conspiracy, but I believe
he was stopping the action to a to offer a disciplinary one point for the fence
grab. Derek starts celebrating. Crowd starts reacting. Referee gets bonked and
that corner's arguing. It had all the makings of a TKO. And my own belief is
they just went with it. How's that? That's a hot one, Daniel. But I I believe that's what I saw.
Ridiculous. Is it ridiculous by me? I mean, they called it an early stoppage, and in my opinion, it's like, well,
yeah, because it wasn't supposed to be a stoppage. It was a break in the action to to put him down. You're laughing,
though. Am I way off? I don't mind being way off. But am I way off on this? No. The reason it's so funny is because
so many times in my life, I'm like, yo, I'm not supposed to be here, but it seems like we're here, so I might as
well just play along, right? Like, you know, you know that's the way it is. But I don't know that that was the case
Saturday because Jason Herszogall came to me afterwards and he was like uh
early. I said no. He I said listen he thought it was an early stoppage maybe.
I said no. Well he thought it was early because the guy assaulted him. I grabbed
him by the face and get out of here. He nothing scarier for an official especially one that's not that big to
have a 6 foot7 Brazilian heavyweight grabbing you by the chin like pissed off because you stopped the fight. I didn't
think it was all the reasons you said is why I didn't think it was early because
Jason Herszog again everything you said stop the action redo the position you
can't do that in a finishing sequence you can't do that because even if he
takes Derek off resets him on the ground and lets him start again now the guy's a
bit off the hook from being finished so you can't do it in a finishing sequence
I think the only action was to stop the fight because Terara is not getting up if he does not stick his fingers into
the fence, grab it to pull himself up. So, he couldn't have done anything more
than stop the fight. So, because of that, I agreed with the stoppage. Now, had he gotten up on his own and he did
that, that might have been a little bit early because the guy was fighting back to his feet. But if you use the fence to
get up, chill, there is no argument to be made, especially as bad as that one. He I mean he reached up, grabbed the
fence and pulled himself back to his feet. So no. Yeah. But but in theory he was in a worse position and he he got to a prone
position which in theory is a better position. Typically you don't stop the fight when somebody's improving their
position. I'm only sharing for you and we'll never know. And Herszog is awesome and a friend. I'm I'm just suggesting
that's what I thought I saw. Daniel, there used to be touch falls were more common and and this was a signal where
the referee would hold his hand up. a five-point throw. The referee kind of waved his arm, but he ended in the same
position. Yes. I threw a guy for five. One time, the referee called it five. I nonchalantly
stood up, walked to the line, and put my hand out as though he had called a touch fall. The opponent got up, came around,
shook my hand, and the referee ended the match and called it a touch ball. So, I'm only sharing with you like these
things do happen. And when you get backhanded and you get piefaced, I think he stepped in to break the action for
the infraction of a fence grab. I don't think he meant to call it. Yeah. Okay. We can agree to disagree.
Well, Derek Lewis uh Derek Lewis Well, I'm not bullish on it. I mean, it's more of just like kind of a guess
like I just kind of suggested. I like yours a lot better than mine. I don't like acting like this guy like that. No. Oh. Oh. Because can't stop the
action. Oh, shut up, Daniel. We're not over here. Who are you? Freaking rules
the guy now. Shut up, Daniel. Anyhow, uh Derek said, "Hey, I think I match up
better with Tom Aspenol than I did in my first two title fights." So, should should the UFC just pull the trigger,
give him a title fight? I mean, Tom does challengers. There isn't many that are going to draw as many eyes as Derrick
Lewis. Uh should he just Curtis Blades got a title fight and Derrick Lewis knocked out Curtis Blades. Should we
just pull the trigger and do Derek Lewis versus Tom Aspenol right now? If we can find a way, if given an
opportunity, look, are they going to go into the war room and they're going to come out with that decision and try to sell it on the audience? No. If Surreal
was to get so much as a cough, if Surreal is to if he's to bump a finger, I mean, if anything happens where an
opportunity presents itself where you can you can you can openly admit not our first choice, but it's the one we're
going with. Yes. Yes. Derrick Lewis returning to Madison Square Garden, a venue that he's already
proven he can draw at Tom who's already proven he can draw within that market. Yes. And not to mention the matchup
really is interesting. Somebody posted all of Tom's wins and then all of Dererick's wins.
They were really close. It's just Dererick had so many other fights that, you know, he stubbed his toe a couple of times, but it was very close. And I
hadn't really realized how close it was. Plus, in Dererick's category, you you you've got Francis Angano. against
Derek. You've got S. I mean, I'm just sharing if you really wanted to go by the book, uh, you'd have a hard time
getting there. If you want to give the fans what they want, which a lot of times in this business we're given that
opportunity, it's generally as a secondary move, but if there's any room, if there's any opportunity to slide him
in there, I'm not completely against the idea, that's for sure. I'm I'm a supporter. And the matchup really is
interesting. Hey, you remember the late great Robert Fus? I do. All right. So, Robert starts working
with Derrick Lewis and I I don't know at what point in his career it is, but they've been training together and they're they're they're meshing well.
That's a word that Robert used to use. And everything's going great. Now, they're in the locker room, but it's their first time in the locker room
together. So, if an unexpected happens or or a guy uh has a superstition or
something he does, you would have no way to know because you haven't been there before. And Derek Lewis brought in a
rack of ribs. Oh my god. In the Yeah. and the white styrofoam can go contain the whole bit. And he's
looking at him the whole time and Robert's telling him, hey, you know, don't do this. Don't do it. And it's late. Derek's already got his hands
wrapped. The commission's already wrapped his hands. He couldn't wait anymore. So, he went over and he ate the He ate half a rack
of the full rack, went out, won the contest, but
had to get to the back quickly. He had to get to the back quickly. Derek Lewis is he is such a character.
He's a legend. Those stories are what make for legends. That's a great story. That's a great story. He sat there next
to me and said that about his wife. He goes, "I want my wife next." And she's just sitting there trying to like keep
it together like, "Oh my god, this dude, why did I come into this octagon?" Uh, chill. Before we go, the SP this year,
male fighter of the year goes to Marab Dwalish Willie. Guys, this award is June
to June, right? Last June to this June. It was during that time that Morab beat
Omali, he beat Umar, and he beat Ali, right? So, Morab won the fighter of the
year overall, not male, because Kayla Harrison was in the category this year. So, congrats to Morab. I believe that he
deserved it, not only because he became champ, defended the belt two times in a calendar year, but in the because of the
way that he did, right? He won that belt against Ali in a fight that he dominated, but got hurt late. went into
a fight against Umar Gomega Medov uh where people thought he was going to get beat. So many had Umar set to throw
Morab right away. He got the job done in a very close competitive fight. Then he comes back and he beats Ali even worse
and submits him. Morab deserved this award ch and good on him for getting an
ESP. Yeah. Well, and credit where credit's due. This goes to Marab Dewa Lavi and I got to tell cuz my phone's been lighting
up in my social media with congrats Chale Sunen sounds a lot like Morab Dwasha Lavi but it's not me it's the
other one this time and I support it by the way and I support it because of the growth. The two Alm Ali fights was very
powerful for me because that's how you see if a guy got better, right? That's how you can see you got you got to have that same common opponent.
To see that he grew at a time when his fame is going up and all these leeches are trying to get a hold of him to see
that he was focused and kept his eye on it. Man, for me it was meaningful. Yeah, he's he's he's the man, bro. This
guy is so good and the fans are starting to draw to him. He's an interesting character. You know, for years we saw
Morab doing some crazy stuff, jumping off cliffs, riding horses, cardio for days. Morab deserved that award and uh
hats on him. John Wood, the entire syndicate team, uh Ray Longo, all the people that have invested in him over
the course of his career to get him to this point. Winning an ESP is a big deal. So, congratulations to Marab and
his entire team. Ch, we're going to New Orleans this week, my guy. I cannot wait to get you down in Louisiana. Have you
been Have you been to Louisiana before? No, I've never been. There was a world team trials there one time, but I stayed
out of town. I was with my mother, so I It wasn't like the the the New Orleans experience, so I'm going to go with no.
Yeah, it's awesome. We are going to have a fantastic time. I can't wait. See you guys on Thursday for a new episode of
Good Guy Bad Guy for the Bad Guy Chill Southern. I'm Daniel Cormier. Until next time. Peace, guys.