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On this episode of Good Guy/Bad Guy…Max Holloway proved once again why he is the Baddest MF’er on the planet by sending Dustin Poirier into retirement with a loss in front of his home crowd!! With Holloway becoming the very first Undisputed BMF in UFC history, the guys believe a BMF Ranking should be created immediately. So, who’s already on the list? And, who should be next in line for a shot at the BMF strap? Plus, Jon Jones cannot be trusted. That’s the sentiment of Dana White when it comes to putting Jon Jones on the highly anticipated fight card at the White House next year. You do not want to miss what DC & Chael have to say about Jones’ response to Dana’s comments.
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2:28 Max def. Poirier for BMF
9:04 Who’s next for BMF shot
11:19 Good with Scorecards?
14:38 Max at 155 different beast
19:36 Chael defend your tweets
25:25 Jones not at the White House anymore
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John is still talking White House, but Dana's making it very clear. I like the idea of you. I wouldn't deny you. I like
the idea of Tom. I wouldn't deny you. I'm not going to wait till then. If you would like to fight on that grass, I
just need to see that you're willing to fight at all. And I think that John versus Tom got closer than ever for
2025. [Music]
What's happening, guys? Welcome to another episode of Good Guy Bad Guy. I'm Chale. He's Daniel. And you're all in
luck cuz we're talking 318. Partner, where do you want to begin? How great New Orleans was. Like, let's just like
that's that's what I want to start with. Like how great being in Louisiana was for me. All week I was smiling about how
great of a week I was having in terms of a fight week. It was amazing being home. And it was amazing to watch how one
Dustin Porier got the love, two how gracious Max was all week in deference.
Two, Dustin Porier even after defending the BMF title, he goes, "Hey, I'mma say
this. Then I'm getting out the way." And then when things wasn't loud enough, he goes, "Y'all better get louder for this
dude that's laid it all out on the line for y'all so many times. It was amazing fight week. Uh, but I gotta be I'm happy
to be back in California. Happy to be back home, but man, to hear Dana say, "I
love New Orleans and we're going to be coming back sooner." Amazing. Daniel, may I ask you, what is the best
thing that you ate in New Orleans? And then I want you to ask me the same question. Jumbalaya. I hadn't had Jumbalaya for a
while, man. I I forgot how much I enjoy it. I had some jumbolaya, man. I was like, "Oh my god, I'm I mean, I'm
houseing it. Chill, dude." I walked down the street one night. I was eating a dinner and I was I'm full. I'm so full.
I could Hey, I needed to let the world know how full I was after that meal was
crazy. It was this smorgas board of steak and sweet potato and it was
amazing. Yeah. So, so Glenn had agreed to take me to breakfast if I could meet Glenn's
early time, which by like my clock was was 5 something in the morning. But I'll meet him. I I'll make the call. We go
over and I tried grits. I've only heard of grits. I thought that was like a potato. Yeah. I would compare it more to like a cream of wheat or or
like a green. It's like a grain. Daniel, they put mine with scallops. Now, this is for breakfast. You want to
think of grits and scallops for breakfast. And then they put a really thin layer of gravy on the outside of the bowl. So, so you like control your
gravy content. Bite after bite. Dare I say the best breakfast I've ever had.
Jail. Gravy, shrimp, grits, scallops, grip grits. That's the real deal. We
went and got some beignes. Like we had a good time. My son went, he was like, "Dad, I miss Louisiana so bad getting to
go there. It was an awesome time." And Dustin Porier got the red carpet rolled out for him as we spoke about time and
time again. But ultimately, the night belong to Max Holloway, Chill. I mean, Max Holloway once again proves
why he is the BMF. What a performance. And outside of that moment where he got hurt in the
second round, he fought really really well. I agree with that. I mean, it's it's
important to start with that when a guy's got a foot out the door, you and I were left to speculate. Is Dustin fully
in this? Can you be fully in it when this match doesn't mean something in terms of your ranking uh getting closer
to a title shot? Can you go all in? And I thought just the level of preparation of Dustin's body when they did the face
off and he squared up. I mean, he was more lean, more ripped. I had a chance to talk to Kayla Harrison who's his
teammate and is in the practice room each day and I just said, "Kayla, tell me the truth. You saw what he used to do in preparing. Can he still do all of
those things?" Cuz I know as I neared the end, keeping up just in practice was
a lot more challenging. Finding reasons to get a water break as opposed to doing some of the uh conditioning exercises.
for example, was a lot more tempting. And she said, "Chale, it's nothing like that. He could he could keep going." And
she said, "Don't be surprised if he tries. Don't be surprised if he has this match and gets rejuvenated and and ask
for one more." And I just understood the attitude. But when he went out there, Dustin, he's in the third round. He's
talking to Max. He's literally communicating with him. I cannot relate to that. A third round of a fight with
that high of a pace, Daniel, I would have been saving every bit of air for my lungs and not to communicate. But I I
only share that going 25 minutes, being in the five round club, being able to push hard for 25 minutes is not
something that represents a guy that's at the end of his career. This is truly a choice by Dustin. I respect it. I
would go as far as to say Dustin Por and this decision is setting a good example for the entire locker room. Yeah. For
people in the future of knowing when to get out. You know, we've watched Dustin do some great things and we have with
Max Holloway also. I thought I thought he just did everything right last week
on the other side of the coin. He never took offense to all the love that people
were giving Dustin. He never was mad to be the guy that was chosen to be in that
spot. He just kept his eyes locked on the prize, realizing that he's got a career to look forward to going forward.
Now, Max Holloway is the BMF champion. He's the first person to successfully
defend the BMF championship. Max Holloway is also a guy that points down to the center of the octagon with 10
seconds left. And it got me thinking when he did it against Justin Gates and he was winning. We thought he was crazy,
but it's something that he has done time and time again. After the fight, Dana
White was asked about it and so was Dustin Porier. This is what they had to say.
When you see Max do his point at the ground in the last 10 seconds, is there any part of you that thinks just as a fight like you're gonna have to stop
doing this event? No. I go, "Oh, hell yeah." You know, and and I and I we were me and my crew were talking about it earlier tonight before
the before we came to the fights. Like everybody acts like they want to do that.
They don't want to do it. Max is like the only guy that actually wants to do that. And uh it's one of the million
reasons why people love him. I wanted to do it. You know, that's why I kept looking up at the clock. I said, "When we doing this?"
Yeah. You saw me looking at the clock a few times. I'm like, "Okay, that's 25 seconds left." I said, "Not time yet."
Then we pointed down. I said, "Okay, I oblige." And then he hit me with a few shots. And I said, "Okay, we're going to wrestle a little bit. Let me clinch up.
There's only 8 seconds left." I think Dustin might have made the right decision and said, "Hey, I'm grabbing
this dude because no one's as comfortable in those situations as Max Bus Holloway."
Dustin Porier said, "Are we doing this?" I looked at the clock. Is it that time
yet? I was happy to oblige. That's poetry right there. That's absolute
poetry. And you know what, partner? I saw those turkeys looking up at the clock. And it was Max more than Dustin
that I caught. Max actually turns and looks at the clock. And then he doesn't do it. We thought it was 30 seconds in.
I'm watching it with a room of people. Dominic Cruz being one of them. And Dominic convinces us, no, we thought it
was 30, but he actually does it with 10 seconds left. And so it was one of these things where just as a viewer, we're
hoping the whole time for the big point down. And I never saw him do the point. He must have said something because I
did see where they planted their feet and Max hit that shoe shine. And to hit a shoe shine like that with that little
of time left with so much on the line. I mean, again, Daniel, this is what dreams are made of. I could not have performed
that in the moment. It would be something I could talk about ahead of time, but not in the moment. I thought from an entertainer aspect, there's a
reason that young man is a BMF. And that right there is your answer. Chill. It also got me thinking this.
Dustin Porier admitted to us, "Hey, he hit me with a few shots." And I said, "Nope, we're wrestling, right? Justin
Gate didn't do that." Justin Gate, Dana said, "Not many guys want to oblige
to him fully on those terms." Justin Gatechi did it, though. Justin Gate
said, "I rather go knock I I'll get knocked out." And this is no knock on Dustin. I thought Dustin made the right
decision because Max, he's very comfortable there and he's a very good boxer in close. What does that say about
Gachi though and Gachi's mindset that he recognized, hey, I'm behind. I'm just
going to fight this dude either I'm going to knock him out, which he came very close to landing. He was like this
close with a right hand that missed Holloway before Holloway hit him to him getting knocked out in the way that he
did. My larger response to you would be the excitement that you have towards the
BMF because I share that excitement and I do fear that the BMF is not going to rear its head up as often as we would
like. There was a fear that if Dustin had grabbed it and retired that we'd never see it again. Now there's talk John Anick kind of started this that no,
let's keep doing the BMF but for special occasions. I want to go further with it. You have a title, Max. People are
calling you out for that title. People want that title. the the underappreciation and the
underestimation uh by the company towards the BMF. People love it. I love
it. I just want to speak to that because we got some of them. Cowboy says he's coming back. He he qualifies. George Mosol darn sure qualifies. Nate Diaz is
floating out there somewhere. Conor McGregor goes into the category of BMF far before he goes into world title. I'm
only suggesting for you, let's get a category and let's actually play this thing out. I don't think I'm going to get my way, but why wouldn't I? Every
time we put this belt up, it's made for a special night. I would like to remind the second floor at the UFC at least of
that. I just saw you say Conor McGregor, man. Conor McGregor be on some crazy stuff
right now. I saw him dancing. Conor McGregor is crazy, man.
Can you do the Conor dance? Can I do that dance? Can you do that Connor dance? Conor McGregor is crazy, dude.
He had his own thing going, man. That is great. That was his own thing. He threw a wave at the end of the dance.
He threw a wave into it. That was crazy. You got to be a confident man to dance that confidently
and not really have the ability to dance. Partner, if we're over here name dropping, can I give you one more? Cuz I could not watch that fight without
constantly being reminded just how special I is. I mean, it was the one
thing I couldn't get away from, right? No matter what those boys did, and they did
a lot, and they gave us a lot. I just kept thinking, and Ilia would not have a problem with either of them. I mean,
that's mindblowing to me. This guy's got sledgehammers. Oh, Ilia doesn't need to dance, man. He just needs to throw
these. It's kind of crazy how how good Ilia did against Holloway and how good he did
against Charles and everybody else that he's fought. Honestly, he's gotten more dominant as time has gone on. But yes,
you do think about like, man, this dude is special. if he did that to this guy because Max is just as good as he was
before. He's not slowing down. He's not getting worse. He's actually getting better. Can I ask you real fast before we move?
I'm getting the sense you want to move on from this BMF, but can I just did you agree with the decision? When the decision came in, were you surprised?
No, I wasn't surprised. So, here here's the here's why. Here's why. And I can
see Dustin's frustration because when he look he said he looked at the scorecards and the judges were scoring different
rounds for him. That's where guys get pissed off. And I understand that cuz if
one person thinks I won round two, why can't it be as clear to someone else or round four or round? But in round two,
he was hurt very bad early, right? And Max was able to get on top of him I I I
believe and land some damage. He hurt Max bad, too. problem with when he hurt him was it was so late in the round that
he didn't have enough time or as much time to show that dominance as Max got. But honestly, some judge a judge gave
him that round. Other judges didn't. I get it. I'm okay with 3 to2.
Um I'm okay with 3 to2 across the board. Four to one was uh
that was a little bit of a stretch I thought, but I can see where Max won round one. I can see where a judge could
have given Max round two. I can see where a judge could have given Max round five and then you got to find just one
more round in there where a judge could have given it to Max. I thought the right guy won. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the
scorecards say. I do believe that the right guy won the fight. I do think it was a closer fight. I thought it was
three to2 Holloway. Dana White has told our judges through the media for decades
now, you score what you see. Don't worry about any of the rest of the politics. Do not ever think you're scratching my
back. And I only share with you like in the old school boxing world, they'd have given that to Porier just because it was
in Louisiana. It was close enough. It was enough. And we're going with the hometown guy. It was the right call. Max
won that fight. I was not completely confident that he would win the decision. I knew that he had won the fight. Is he going to win the decision?
I think those judges, while it was a little over the place, I think they did a very good job at the end of the night.
I'm uh Hold on a second. Hold on a second.
Uh, yes, the right guy won the fight and um, it was it was it was fine. I I think
Dustin was frustrated. What I like seeing about that though was uh that Dustin Porier uh, that competitive
spirit is not gone, right? Because if you're done and you're like, I'm finished. It's I got my red carpet.
Everything was perfect. You don't really care about the decision. Dustin still like, "Yo,
I don't think it should have been that bad." Hey, look who I got. Chill. Look who's here. I told you I got my camp.
That's why I was calling you. Look, look. Zack, what is up? Hey, he's texting me. Hey, what are you
doing? Can we get a coffee? I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of doing something, Zack. No, Coach Zack in the house, man. Doing
a great job out there in North Carolina, by the way, partner. Appreciate it. He did awesome this weekend, man.
Thank you. Thank you. We had fun. It's cool to see you. We'll give me about 15 more minutes. Don't leave. So, Daniel, what Daniel, one thing
happened. You worked six and a half hours that night. This was right after you clocked out. So, I just I I don't want to condescend, but in case you
didn't see this, Max leaves the cage. He doesn't even put his shirt on. He walks straight to the ESPN desk. You want to
talk about him showing us respect over here? I will not forget that he did this, but I don't know that you were
able to hear. So, I threw out some possible matchups for Max next. The internet was going off. The internet's
talking about Patty the Batty just for example. The internet is is talking about Sooqian just for example. I asked
him what he wanted to do and I threw some names out there. I threw out Gachi. I went back to a rematch with Ilia. I mean I gave him a real choice.
He pushed them all to the side and told me if it's if it's up to me it's Charles Olivera and I will put the belt up. And
don't forget those guys had matched up before. I don't think the company's screaming for a rematch. But when the
guy when the guy himself tells you that's who I want and he's calling a guy
coming off a loss, he didn't care. There's something personal there and I don't think it should be looked away
from. I have a feeling at least for a little bit the media will entertain the idea of Holloway versus Olivera and I'm
all for it. Hey, listen. If there was a BMF ranking, right, say there was a BMF ranking, all
those guys you listed before would be included. But all those guys we listed before may not be as active or as viable
in their divisions right now. Charles Olivivera would be number one ranked guy in the BMF runningings. Charles would be
he'd be number one in the BMF rankings because he is a BMF and he's one of
those guys that fits. You had Dustin Porier fight, Justin Gai fight, Max Holloway fight for the belt, Nate Diaz,
Jorge Mazdol, Charles Olivera fits in that that that realm of the world
because he doesn't fit in the title picture anymore. I believe that this BMF
title, right, truly could be a thing to chase for those guys that were once the
best in the world and maybe they aren't right now, but they're working their way back to that and get to fight some of
the other big names and something that matters is at stake for them. Max
Holloway now says Charles after beating Dustin Porier. Now, we can legitimately
make a claim that he should fight Ilya again for the UFC lightweight championship. Max Holloway is 33 years
old only. We've seen him for a long time, but it doesn't make him any older. I love the BMF title. I think there
should be a ranking for the BMF championship. And I believe that right now we have the greatest BMF champ, a a
BMF champion, Jill, that we could have never imagined we would have because we never thought we'd have a guy that's so
good carrying that championship at a time in his career where he's not done.
Max Holloway is not over the hill. He's just a guy that had to get back off the
horse, get back on the horse after losing to uh Vul and then Iliot. And
Daniel, do you remember the purgatory that Max found himself in? I mean, if we just go back a year, what can you do with Max? You can't championship match
him even though he's clearly the top guy because Vulk had the belt and he'd already been in there three times. He's
not a 55 pounder. So, we could go ahead and move him up. I mean, when UFC 300 came around, which turns out to be like
the greatest match anybody's ever seen. Justin didn't call for the match. Max didn't call for the match. The audience
didn't call for the match. The UFC went unilaterally and booked what turned out to be the saving grace to Max. It
brought him back into relevancy. It got gets him the highlight reel of all time. Qualifies him to go for the very 45 lb
title. Now that there was a mixup with Taporia and Vulcganowski, returns him to 55. And by the way, as much as we're
talking about how great Dustin fought and he did, why did he lose? I mean, we are confronted to answer that question.
He's fighting the same guy that he's already beaten twice. What was different? And Daniel, I feel I have the answer. And I feel it's very simple. He
never Fox Max, never fought Max when Max was a lightweight. He fought Max when
Max was a featherweight competing at lightweight. I thought the physicality, the pure physiology, the pure size of
Max Holloway was different. I watched these guys whether it was at the stare down or when they they came to the
center for their final instructions. Max by my eyeballs was clearly bigger. Not
just maybe. I know. I know what the scale said a day before. I'm telling you, this is a brand new Max. That's a
Max that Dustin had never faced. And the rest of the 55 pounders are going to have to get ready for that, too. This is
not a little boy bouncing up anymore. This is a former featherweight who's
ingraining himself into the division. Yeah, absolutely. Max Hollow always special, man. Love the guy and and and
honestly one of the best human beings you'll ever meet in your entire life. Just uh super super great person.
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[Applause] Hey, but on Saturday night, put your
phone away. What are you tweeting for in the middle of fights? Ch, what are
because you know why you're sitting there watching and you're you're you're
making these spur-of the- moment things. Somebody just told said that about this. Oh, these commentators. Oh, it was Dan
Eay. He goes, they're saying things that they see right now. They don't get to think about it. Watch. Hey, you're in
the middle of the moment. You're you're tweeting jail. Put that phone away. Hey, Tapori is the BML. You know, you said
that in the first round. You made it a point earlier like, dang, he's good. But why are you tweeting that, Joe? Like, it
was that the moment that it hit you like, yo, these dudes are good, but Ilia Tapora is just better. Let me lay out a
scenario for you. And this scenario does not involve Ilia Tapora losing. It does
not involve Ilia Tapori throwing a single punch. The scenario that I'm about to lay out is purely
administratively with paperwork. Had we decided to not hold Vulk Lopez as early
as we did, then Tapora would have walked into his fight with Charles as champion and he would be a a double champion,
which he is not. He does not have to lose a fight or even have a fight. All we had to do is the fights that Ilia
already had. Of course, I'm talking about the one with Max. We put the belt up that should have been pelt up put but put up. When you come into fighting,
whatever you got is on the line. It's a poker hand, but chips are in at all times. Ilia Tapora should be and not
that he needs another punch or he needs to duck a punch. The way things sit right now, Ilia could be 45 lb champion,
55 lb champion, BMF champion, and he's the number one ranked pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That would mean he
has an absolute sweep of the board. There is no other prize that our industry recognizes that we can give
him. So for Ilia to sit home and go, "Man, I already did this hard work. That should be my belt." Yeah, that's how a
champion thinks. They're greedy. They want all the hardware and Ilia ought to have it. That's the truth.
Wow. I never thought of it like that. You're right. He's pound number one. He gave up the featherweight title. He beat the guy that got the BMF title.
Sometimes you live in this and you don't realize like how truly special something is. Like that poor man. God,
he's so confident too. Like I mean chill. I just wish I wish for one day that I was when I was in fighting that I
could feel a belief in self that Iliot. He had his celebration party the day
before the fight. Daniel, they cheered him and he took he took the
cheers. I just want to thank everybody. I love you guys so much. You guys are the best. Thank you for coming out
supporting me on this journey to becoming the lightweight champion. And I talk to Rogan and Rogan goes, "He's
really tempting faith, man. This guy is playing with some real karma." And then,
"Is he really?" When he's that is he good, Zach? What did you just have in your hand?
I said, "Zack, is he good?" Zach goes, "He's really good." Where'd you get that coffee cup? You like that?
Well, I I David Taylor sent me a little gift package, too. He didn't include a coffee cup. Oh, it's a llam. I don't I'm
not owed one. Okay. Get one of those. Sh. Put that back in your car. I didn't earn that.
Yeah. No, but chill. Uh, yeah, he's really good. Hey, you also tweeted Max versus Patty, but Patty's fighting for
the lightweight title, or it would seem. Why? I get the excitement of the Patty, but fighting for the BMF title wouldn't
serve him right now if he has a championship opportunity. Little young, right? Little little young. And I hear what you're saying. I mean, that BMF is a certain category and
he's well on his way. Daniel, I don't know if Patty's getting it. I mean, unless you're breaking news. No, I'm not break. Don't try to do that.
Don't you dare try. That's that's that's your show. Every now and then you hear something and it comes out. I I would understand
that, but I feel the winds are blowing towards Sooqi and that that's just what I can feel. And my solution, at least
within the moment of 280 characters or less, was to still get Patty the title fight. If people think he should have a
title, like, you know, 155 is very lucky right now. They got two belts. And it it
was kind of a uh a knee-jerk reaction. I do realize with a couple days that we're not going to get Patty Max, but I did
float that idea right to Max. I wanted what Max would say because most the veterans like Max are in a habit of just
doing this to Patty. They're just in the Oh, he's a new young guy. He's not I don't think you can ignore him anymore though. I don't Chandler.
After Chandler, dude, after what Patty did to Chandler, you cannot ignore him anymore.
And Chandler was one of those guys. At one point, Chandler was one of those guys that, hey, let Patty have his fun. I'm this veteran. Patty's saying, "Man,
we're all competitors. Let's do this." Like, it's a very different thing. And my real goal was to try to get something meaningful for Patty. And my
overwhelming uh objective was to take Max's temperature in that moment. Do you
still brush off Patty? And Max did not. He was not disrespectful to Patty at all. He did answer the question, which
is if I have my choice, I got unfinished business with Olive Vera. You're good for that. You're good for uh
You're good for that. I'mma check the temperature. You checking the temperature ended up
getting Bull Nichols stuck in an octagon with Reneer Ditter. Like you, you checking temperature is why Bo ended up
fighting Reneer Ditter. You got to stop checking temperatures of the room. Man, you end up getting one of our guys in
there with someone he's not supposed to be in there with. Come on, Jill. Stop checking the temperature of the room, please. Patty versus Max is fascinating, though.
That really is an interesting match that that is it's kind of hard to believe isn't going to get made at some point.
At some point it will because I think Patty's going to be around for a while. Hey, before we go Ch I got to talk to you about this. So John Jones said, "I'm
back in the testing pool. I'm going to the White House." He was excited. It was something that gets him fired up. He
said he needed to fight for something that meant more. And fighting for our country would be amazing. and he wants
to put I told you Joe if I needed somebody to go to White House to get a dub as an American I'm sitting Jones. So
Jones is like we're aligned for the first time. Then Dana throws cold water on it man. Dana throws cold water on it
on Saturday saying you know I can't risk putting him in big positions in a big
spot and have something go wrong especially the card on the White House.
Um what did that make you hear? What did that make you feel when you heard that?
And then I will tell you what Jones said in response here in a second. Dana White is the best CEO in America.
Your children will read about him from textbooks when they get to college. And he was doing nothing more than
negotiating. Yep. If you look at what he did and how well
he delivered that line and it got a very quick response to John and John is still talking White House, but Dana's making
it very clear. I like the idea of you. I wouldn't deny you. I like the idea of Tom. I wouldn't deny you. I'm not going
to wait till then. If you would like to fight on that grass, I just need to see that you're willing to fight at all. And
I think that John versus Tom got closer than ever for 2025. See, Ch, that's the
problem, though. That's the problem. He can't fight before because if he fights Tom before, it'll be over. He'll start
doing that again. You need to keep that big fight or if he doesn't want to fight
Tom, you need to give Tom time to get beat for Jones to come back. I don't know. But uh I think that him fighting
Tom before is not it's I mean we've been doing that for a year and a half now. I
don't think he's going to do it. I think that he needs to wait. But Dana also said John versus Aspen as the main event
is something that interests me. But then he starts thinking about it and goes yes. Nah, I can't really use him. I
think that's exactly what he did is what you said like hey this dude hey we'll do it in public. Just like Jon Jones goes,
I want 30 million to fight. Negotiating publicly, they publicly going, we can do this thing without you. And we're
intention intending to do it without you if you don't get in line and show us that things are going to be better. But
Jones said, "Hey, I was a little bit disappointed. I'm still in the UFC drug testing pool staying sharp and
continuing to train like a professional. I'll be ready for whatever comes next." So, what happened to retirement? Before
I thought like before I thought the uh White House was the thing that was going to get him back, but it sounds like now
he's just going to fight jail. I know you message him. I know you text him. What have you guys What? Don't laugh.
What have you guys been talking about in regards to you and your friend's career? All right. So, my closest in is one of
his inner circles. And listen, they didn't have a major inside scoop. They're saying what you see is what you
get. He does not want to risk it. that protected record to Jon inside does mean
a lot to him and he does see some special challenges with Tom. I think that's okay to say publicly and I don't
think that damages John at all to compliment and put somebody else over. I do also see what I believe your larger
point was which there's one fight for Jon and even if we use our imaginations a year from now there's still only one
fight for John and that is a little bit problematic. It's not just a matter of you willing to come back to show that
you want on that White House lawn. If I bring you to the White House lawn, when we fade to black and roll the credits is
the last thing you're going to say is, "I'm done. I'm retired and now I've screwed you for the belt again after taking out your top guy." I mean, there
is some some real chess that's being played here. That's the problem. Yeah, but that inside scoop on Jones,
man, inside scoop says what he's telling the public is real. And by the way, I'm well aware that he's not doing his own
social media now, but whoever is really is doing a great job. Sometimes it angers me. Sometimes it's a troll job.
They did one the other night where he spoke in the third person and he misspelled John. He he put a H in there.
So I'm well aware that he's hired somebody, but that person is do I mean
this is my favorite version of John I've seen so far. I told I told Kamar Usman I love when he's like evil Jon Jones. He
just don't really care because at the end of the day why should he care? I mean, if you just win all the time, you
remember when we had this idea that Islamace should just be like Darth Vader essentially going, I'm going to beat
your best fighters and there's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it and I'm just going to smash him. I like when Jon Jones does
that because there are very few people that can because they've beaten everybody. The Islam tour of taking black belts
back that for me from a market, remember when Islam was saying that we give we give black belts out too easy. Yeah.
I wanted Islam to go on a tour of collecting black belts. I feel like that would have been marketing gold.
I told Islam once I said hey I said but he has tremendous wrestling. He goes who said he goes who said who said who said
this? So funny though. Who said this? He goes brother black belt. You see him do
this. I was like this guy is love's crazy man. This is number one not true. This is not true. Number one BS. I was
like this guy is so crazy. Chill you. But the history of Jon Jones, like him
not doing it is why Dana said that. But ultimately, and I just got to speak
truth, in more cases than not, he has shown up. Right. In more cases than not,
since that happened with you, he has shown up. So, he didn't when him and I
was supposed to fight UFC 200, didn't happen. And then UFC 214, he showed up. we fought, right? Outside of that, he's
kind of shown up every other time. So,
they've given him opportunities even after that time where they he they was told he'll never headline again whenever
that happened with you. Well, and I'll I'll just tell you this, Daniel, because you're completely correct. Taking Jon at his word has been
bulletproof. When he didn't fight me at was it 157, he said he wasn't going to fight me. He openly said, "I'm not going
to do it." And he didn't. You go back, find me one place where he ever said he'd fight Tom Aspenol. He has said no
from the beginning. I mean, there is something about when you get a yes from Jon Jones that you can count on. He
doesn't always give you the yes, but I I can't call the man a liar. Not not not in terms of showing up to fights that he
agreed to. I I can't call him a liar. But you're right, Jill. You said, "What if at when you fade to black, he says,
"I'm done." That's the worry about putting that belt on, especially if Tom goes on a tear and wins two fights and
it's like, "Oh my god, Tom Aspenol could be this next great UFC champion and then John potentially beats him and and
quits." That would be awful. Awful. Awful, awful. But we are going to the White House for a UFC fight and I cannot
wait. I was so concerned when we talked about 20,000 people at the White House. Then I found out there's like a Easter
egg hunt every year where they put like 27 to 30,000 on the south lawn every
year. So it's doable, ch it is doable. And we're going to the White House. So I
don't know to people that don't get to go. Perks of being I feel like you're wanting to wrap the
show, but you're just not sure when to do it. I like I don't know if I should chime. I can tell that you're done.
Should I just sit here? Hey, perks of being me and Ching. And guys, you know what's another perk of being me and Chelsea? We can actually
quit and stop the show whenever we want. And that's what we're doing right now. So, we will see you guys on Thursday for
Chel Sun and I'm Daniel Cormier. Peace. Goodbye turkeys.
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