On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy, UFC lightweight Champ Islam Makhachev joins the show to talk about how he plans to …
I can tell that you were playing there with the light heavyweight champion Pier I like that Pier clip maybe he could get to the really big fight I think maybe he even get to Alex Pier if John really wanted that fight with Pier bringing up this huge payday with Pier there are a number of reasons why I love this show one being ch’s inability to pronounce the most famous fighter in the top weights in the UFC jail I got to tell you one thing my friend I don’t know if it’s a gimmick off it’s real but the one thing I do not respect anymore is a University of Oregon education I’m sorry my guy I’m sorry Daniel mistakes happen I I get I get confused for Kevin Hart or or RC all the [Music] time what’s up guys welcome to a brand new episode of good guy bad guy I’m the good guy Cormier that’s the bad guy CH suon also the bad pronunciator of names CH Su but mistakes do happen but let me tell you one thing chill I’m not Michael Chandler when I get good things I don’t brag I don’t boast but for once I’m gonna Pat myself on the back because I booked I booked one of my friends to join us so for our very first interview or sit down why not have my good buddy Islam mahv so while we do have a great show Why not start with the champ CH let’s go let’s get to Islam you see CH so hey my friend Islam Mah hey Islam my friend Islam this is my buddy CH this is the bad guy I’m the good guy and welcome to my show what’s up champ to change the name to the your podcast why fed guy and bad guy more cool hey so you know what this episode is now fed guy bad guy rich guy chill I promise you I was on a FaceTime with this guy he’s in Dubai toilet complete goal 24 Karat go this guy crazy rich guy swear to God I swear to God this guy laugh no it’s not true man Islam Islam I gotta ask you I got to ask you a question every upset in history has one ingredient which is the guy that gets upset finds himself in a contest that’s harder than he thought it was going to be now I got to present it to you like that because when I read your tweets I think they call it X now you’ve talked about gaii you talked about ol you talked about sarion when it got announced that it was Dustin that’s one guy you hadn’t mentioned and I follow you pretty closely so I’m just asking you are you in a fight that’s harder than you’re aware now we have Dustin you know hey honestly uh some people think I’m I’m underestimating B but this guy is so tough and he’s a dangerous he’s a legend he have experience you know and he the most dangerous guy in the slanking in this Division and this guy have very good giltin that’s why I’m training so hardy and he’s no he’s being disrespectful look at his face he’s starting to laugh chill he’s starting to laugh he’s being he is he’s being disrespectful I can tell he’s starting to laugh he start chill no I brother please please I honestly I respect him but okay I don’t respect his G but he’s all his skills I that’s what I’m talking about that’s what I’m talking about the guillotin because I never see finish someone in guillotin maybe one day but it’s not gonna be me he almost had a be in the guillotine khabib even said it was tight no before the fight I swear God khabib told me he catch me in giltin I have to fill I will give him my neck and make him tired and what we did in the L before the fight yes wow wow okay so Islam are you surprised that it was Dustin porier because I know yeah I believe that this is right for you because I believe you have to fight these guys that the division was known for to take take their star power but do you were you surprised that it was Dustin considering he lost to gatei only one fight before Beating A Y young up and coming guy like benois sandini man how he beat the just smash him and you know if I want to clean Division I have to fight with Dustin with all these guys you know because now we have some of the guy man but he not ready for fighting soon you know he want to fight or I don’t know October November hey that’s what I was going to say though like that’s what I was gonna say Arman cukan would seem to be the guy right you know you guys had a very fun fight um I don’t think did did he win did he win one round like 2928 on one judg scorecard I beat him all rounds I beat him already I beat Charles now I have new name that’s and this is very good for the [Music] my know what what they call careering popularity golden toil Islam Islam C can I jump in on one I have never heard you ask Dana and the UFC for anything except you did say I’d like some parody I’d like to not be doing remake matches all the time that struck me as a very reasonable request by you but when we do look at sarot versus all Vera at 300 that was supposedly the semifinal to draw into you and that would be a rematch either way so when you got the call that it was Dustin was there part of you that’s like great I get a new name at least I I wouldn’t like to do all those rematches either and I’m just wondering how you felt about H I don’t like this about the rematch because I already beat wosi two times I need some new name in the list you’re right because you know in the remage you don’t have some like motivation but for for some new name you have you know in the list it’s going to be good when I beat in Islam if we went back to 300 was there a part of you that at least for a moment thought maybe your next opponent would be Max when you saw Max go get that belt did you think maybe he’s coming to my for me honestly Max have job in his Division and I don’t want to give chance Max because people uh still talking I’m not defense my belt with the light FB guys that’s why I need some real Contender on my division and I want to clean my division and fight Wass with Walter W I had a fight I had I had a fight with someone the other day say about this Islam I’m arguing because they’re like well Islam hasn’t defended his belt I was like he did I was like he beat he beat the same guy that gave him twice I go he was fighting Ola again I go Islam didn’t say let me fight volkanovski volan had beat everybody so much that they gave him a chance and then when Oliva fell out they gave him another chance and you knocked him out right you beat him better the second time than you did the first time but I am one wondering what is your desired outcome against Dustin porier because it would seem as though taking him down and grinding him out is the easier path but are you falling in love with The Knockout after what you did to Alexander vinoski do you think you can knock out Dore brother honestly I can do many things because every time when he def when he fight for the champion some body choke him now I have to prepare something special and we did in the gym I have something special for next fight and what the people say about the woski this is Guy the most danger most tough guy in the UFC you know if you want to beat this guy I said this before you have to turn off the light you know this guy is gonna fight five rounds 10 Rounds he gave me one of the hardest you know why they say that you know why they say that they only say that that because in the first fight in the fifth round when he take you it look more like when I beat you right instead of like when you on your back and you like get taken down that looked like whenever you try to go with me and I just kill you I kill I hey I beat somebody yesterday AKA I went I went AKA yesterday I killed someone come to the camp now I’m in New Jersey now I know I will I will eat you I will eat you alive if I go to Camp five rounds in the vein though of discussing DC and bigger weight classes I’ve watched all of your fights partner but I’ve also watched all of your weigh-ins and it strikes me from my living room that 155 is not the most pleasant experience you’re having am I close on that is there a certain amount at 55 where you may walk away from the division and go up to 70 man who who we have next now we have porier after if I beat porier and Arman I don’t know I don’t have some job in my division and I need the second build I think I deserve because does interest you though when you look at 170 does that you yeah of course this is my dream okay to be double Champion I didn’t know that I want never heard you say that danding I want to beat DC record he’s a double champion in AKA I has to be second guy I’m the only double champion in AKA hey it’s hard chill it’s hard to keep records in AKA but right now I’m still the only double Champion so take the second Bel and defense and I will beat your record no you won’t because I defense light heavyweight I defense heavyweight I’m still the only guy in UFC history to defense both so ha take that back to New Jersey I will man hey so Islam listen Islam when I think of you right I think of a time where you know you and Islam mov would come and it was just two Islams and we differentiated between you guys with the T-shirt but now you’re a world champion you are a guy that is as good as anyone in the world when you you say you don’t believe Islam one day will be pound-for-pound best fighter in the world but you remember that dude I’m telling you like it was it’s Islam it was khabib first and then you started to show up you and Islam and one had a red shirt one had a black shirt Islam red Islam black this is what we used to call green green green green Green Islam green and this guy but when you look back on the journey Islam did you ever think like it’s easy to say that I’m going to be the best fighter in the world but did you ever really imagine that this would come to fruition and now that you’re living it how much has changed like what’s changed in your life from before when you would walk from the Homewood Suites over to Lucky to Fuki to AKA like what’s changed now for you honestly I miss this place because you know all the area and San Jose I know we have just AKA we have to eat Fuki and we in Stay America and they have before there some coffee shop there and we training do every every day same things and now it’s a little bit changed of course now I can come to the to the camp before like one month take some big house take some gym bring all team you know but that moment when I had first time I remember we live in San Francisco we came to we come to training and between training we sleep in the car in the parking and close to AKA but now Islam we can change something I love that I I love that story and I love the humble beginnings listen you knew about this fight in terms of the date you knew it would be in nework you knew it would be a main event of pay-per-view you didn’t know who the opponent was did that change training did that change a motivation for for better or worse when you finally got that piece of the the answer in Dustin porier no honestly Dustin por is a big name man I want to beat him because on the list it’s going to be you know Dustin por it’s how many title fight he have how many guys tough guys he beat he beat Connor he beat Chandler he beat many guys but he have a problem with the people who have good wrestling and grappling in Islam Islam by the way a lot of people have been complimenting me and congratulating me on being in the Hall of Fame did did you want to say some nice words to me while you’re here just yeah yeah was there anything you wanted to say to to me how how how to I want to ask how to be there maybe one day I will [Applause] join I love it thank you for joining us DC back to you hey you’re supposed to tell him congratulations Chill on making the Hall of Fame dude he congratulations you’re the legend you’re theer everything thank you is he’s the greatest well when you’re undefeated and you won every single fight you ever had your life no your greatest ster in MMA 100% it’s like thank you when when you when you go to that octagon for UFC 302 and you’re back in the United States because the last couple have been in Abu Dhabi what do you think the I’ll be there bro I I’ll be there I can’t wait to watch it but talk about the the beginning right like you guys have a history uh in New Jersey being on the East Coast having an opportunity to fight so close to New York City it’s excitement to be back in the Octagon what has the time away been like for you and what are you expecting like how do you expect that fight to Finish with Dustin porier in just a matter of weeks you know I’m happy to be here defense my belt first time in the US and and uh honestly if I defense my Bel now I want to come back and defense my belt again in medicon Square Garden and very excited because from the last fight it’s almost how years I’m not fighting but all this five six months I keep training that’s why when they told me I will fight in June 1st I told Al doesn’t matter I will be ready who is going to be there I will be there doesn’t matter who going to beon that’s good champ champ listen we’re gonna let you go but hey send me your birthday and the airport you fly out of in dagistan I’m buying you and khabib tickets I’m taking y’all to the Olympic Games we cannot miss the Olympic wrestling meib hey we go Olympic Games me you khabib and Paris we experienc the Olympic games together not Greco Roman not women’s only men’s Freestyle Wrestling you and who which which which R division you think you win which one in men’s Freestyle Wrestling Kyle D wins Kyle D wins 74 K kilos we wi don’t trash please don’t trash 74 kills we have two guys who beat him already s who is next Taylor I don’t know I I believe just Taylor but he’s not not gonna be there Taylor’s not on the Olympic team Taylor did not make the Olympic team you lose the medal sorry I think see if you come to Parish you will upset because it’s not not I feel it’s not best team in us now do you don’t have best guys in the team now you being you’re being released from the show now you’re being released from the show now you’re now being released from the show you canot do this crazy crazy Islam Dana White Once critiqued the commentators and said we could not do an interview without making it look painful and I know dannyel and I have certainly done our part here to support what Dana said but best of luck to you and I hope that down the road you get a new chair thank you guys you man CH talk to you soon bye bye thanks Islam you know it’s good to have Islam HEV join us I cannot wait for UFC 302 that’s gonna be a phenomenal fight and chill as we talked about time and time again this guy’s like accidentally funny because he’s so dry with the things that he says that he actually he has a great personality but moving forward one of the guys that has a great personality has a great fighting career behind him and is looking to correct everything is Conor McGregor as he takes on uh Michael Chandler but it’s not just Conor McGregor and Michael Chandler because it’s never just about Michael Chandler with Conor McGregor now it’s Shawn Ali versus Conor McGregor right now and Shan said chil he would move up to fight Conor McGregor he said I would fight him at 55 first of all it’s a huge P second all it’s common that would be legendary he’s one of the rare guys I would fight out of my weight class now that sounds pretty respectful but what Sean said prior was not as much is this a good thing that we now have the bantamweight champion talking about fighting a guy that’s making his return at 170 Daniel can I let this breathe for just a minute because that whether you know it or not was actually my first time ever speaking to Islam Islam struck me as supremely confident while remaining humble and that’s a very interesting combination but I watched you do that I watched you become the world champion but you always stayed a nice guy and I think one of the reasons for that is because Cain Velasquez was in the room all the time like there was really never a time where you really felt maybe your level of success and I think when I talk about Islam like as great as he is and nobody on the planet has beaten him in that octagon he’s got problems in the workout room each day with kib now I I bring that to you because om Ali doesn’t om Ali is the king of his room he and his coach Tim who in full disclosure is a former teammate of mine but I got to share with you they’ve been the ones that are together and then they bringing other bodies and they’re forming a team and they’ve got a nucleus out there but he’s the star of the show and it’s a very different environment than say the one you came through with AK where you got Luke Rock and Josh kek Josh the punk Thompson or what I came through with Team Quest where you got Randy Couture Matt ly and Dan Henderson I know we’re name dropping here but but in all fairness sea is in a different spot team though didn’t we boy exactly right but then we stayed so humbled like we were doing well around the world but we weren’t necessarily winning every day at 3:00 not every day not all of those rounds right they could bring some cameras in there was pay-per-view worthy workouts Shawn’s not in that spot and I just want to make that observation to you because I don’t think there’s an arrogance here like some people think I don’t think he’s out there trying to run his mouth to get big fights I think he is answering the questions that are asked of him and he’s got a little bigger confidence that maybe we we we grew up with you know part of it is when guys feel attacked right you see that there sha Ali was a massive fan of Conor McGregor but then Conor McGregor made a comment about Shawn Loop looping him into a group with Ryan Garcia Whoa by the way it was just said yesterday that he did not fill the ban substance test which is crazy so it’s like he got looped into that so I guess his feelings were a little bit hurt he felt a little disappointed that Conor came at him in that way so now he’s talking about fighting him when you talk about Shan Ali and his ability to win without having that circle around him to Humble him you you say that but I can State the truth to that because he still right chill will go to uh uh the the team down in Phoenix with Mario Bautista with all those guys what’s the name of that team down in uh in Arizona Henry used to train there fight ready he still sometimes goes to fight ready to try to get with those bodies because he doesn’t have those in that gym that he has created for himself a lot of people say that MMA is now at a point where you need to have a gym or a team that is about you and only about you I think that is the truth but you do need partners isn’t this the move though I mean isn’t this the everybody wants to align themsel with Connor and if you’re ever going to be a top draw in the sport you got to get in there with Connor om Ali is now a top draw I would say he’s a top three he’s not McGregor but in all fairness he’s the champion in some ways he’s in front of McGregor which one of them is most likely to defend a world title om Ali which one of them is most likely to have more than two fights in the rest of their career it’s om Ali right I mean you talk about some shelf life he’s never going to get the match Connor’s never coming down he’s never going uh Al’s never going all the way up to 55 isn’t this the right move to come and stick it right in this guy’s chest it it feels like it it raises or gets people talking because here’s what Shan Mali needs to do and I think this is one thing he recognizes Mor Rob deales for a guy like you for a guy like me it’s so exciting because we love the wrestling we love his ability to grind people out truly take their will and their spirit and make them not want to fight him but to the general fan morab doal will not draw you in to a sha Ali fight like some of these other guys right sea doesn’t have that as a challenger so what do you do the next best thing chill the next best thing is to to do this call out Connor get your name aligned with the biggest name in the sport especially now that McGregor’s coming back so and hope CHP and hope that when Connor fights at International fight week the biggest fight card of the year here generally for the UFC sha Ali is in that Arena they pan to him right when he’s in the they show the the stars in the crowd after the fight hope Conor just dogs him out or something to just keep his name on that same plan fill with him and then as we move into his title defense people are going we know sha Ali already but now we know sha Ali as the guy that Conor McGregor wants to fight after he gets through his next fight and oh Conor’s back he just looks so good if Conor’s able to get through Michael you know like he’s hoping to and Daniel let me just ask you straight up okay let’s play the game but you got a magic wand and you can make this fight do you want to see omali versus McGregor or does it feel like two different Generations three different weight classes I mean how how does it strike you for me it’s just the weight class are too too much of a difference in weight class too big like if Connor was Conor’s big at 155 now when Conor was the 45 pound champion he was much smaller I would have said hey I I wouldn’t mind seeing that two Strikers getting after each other but now I don’t think there’s any world that which they could fight each other would it be fun yeah it would be absolutely fun but I just don’t know that it would it doesn’t make sense to me I’m done chill I want things that make sense I want to be logical in my life for the last few weeks I’ve been talking about Jon Jones and about seven people none of it’s happening I don’t know who’s happen we got a fight in Manchester with a heavyweight champ chion supposed to defend there’s no fights on the fight card but like you said it’s sold out I want to live in reality for a little bit and that’s not reality chill I I watch movies I’m going to go see the Planet of the Apes on Friday night I want to pretend I’m gonna pretend that they are walking Apes somewhere after a freaking Global pandemic and they’re running the world that’s where I’m going to pretend in Oregon Planet of the Apes drops at M 12:01 in the morning my son and I are going and my son’s going in costume so let’s recap on that but I want to answer my own question I don’t know that I want to see that fight I mean in all fairness I think that we could do it by proxy and what am I talking about I’m talking about ali could in there with Max that is a very possible match down the road Max got in there with McGregor you start to work things out I mean right people like to to say they don’t love MMA math ma math is the closest thing to science that we have I love MMA math oh and by the way I do think that Max is likely to get the jump on Ali which means that wins this entire thing and hear me out on one final Point how good is Al cuz I love the fact that you were talking about morab and you were talking about those takedowns but the way that om Ali stopped Cheeto from even going for takedowns he’s better than I knew that he was and I’m starting to buy into the hype man I’m starting to buy into this sha ‘s the real deal I’m done I’m done I am done doubting sha Ali I was one that took the weit and see approach because when it happen happens fast a lot of times the traditionalist like me will want to see that guy do something more before I start to anoint them I’m done now after what he did to aljo after what he did to Mar uh to uh Cheeto I’m done man I believe that Shan Ali is as good as anyone in the world I don’t know if he can withstand Mor Rob style because he did get a little fatigued in the fight against Cheeto towards the end but but I just believe and think the world of this kid now but chill when we talk about Conor McGregor he is at the Forefront of fighting for a long time and and also that I mean that Sterling performance in Roadhouse he was about as good an actor as I’ve seen in a really long time but I agree two years ago chill already two years ago was when Michael Chandler called out Conor McGregor for the very first time he kicks Tony Ferguson in the face gets on the Mike and calls out Conor McGregor why is it taking so long for it to come to fruition boy Daniel they still allegedly don’t have a signed contract and they still allegedly have an officially agreed on the weight class now that fight is going to happen I’m just speaking to your point that yeah it sure seems to be getting uh drugg out I got to tell you something ESPN before they were the distribution partner or even owners of UFC content they were trying to show Dana and the UFC hey we can handle this and we’re behind the sport so ESPN right there in Bristol used to set an octagon up on campus I was the Lan employee covering MMA so I go out there to Bristol and I’m doing an interview with Connor and it happened to be the day that he gets the call that Aldo is out and Mendes is in at any rate I’m face to face with McGregor we’re all miked up and the cameras are filming and his fiance d d e d was there and I had just met her but I didn’t get the name it went through real fast so I whispered to Connor we’re in the Octagon I said hey what’s your fiance’s name and he goes what I was like uhoh so I said it the exact same way hey what’s your fiance’s name and he goes what and now we are face to face so I a third time the exact same way what’s your fiance’s name and he goes D and he turned and walked away and I don’t know where that was going to go by the way but I would no longer be gainfully employed had anything H right I mean this it’s Conor McGregor Cody garbrandt before he was Cody garbrandt got face to face with him Dana had to take him in the green mve and explain to him which side of this Bread’s got the butter I share that story because I can’t talk about McGregor and go right into chantler without telling you and I think I almost had to get the mix with him and then he guess what I had to ask him and the producer tells me this in my ear they say ask him how he’s going to beat Mendes so I do I say and Connor what are you going to do with Mendes who’s his brand new opponent and Connor says well I might go je kundo and he goes b b bom and he stops like right at my jugular I was so impressed I was so impressed with how fast he moved in his Bruce Lee style and that he could stop with the Death Punch then he says or I might have to and he goes into a whole another style and he throws a kick and it’s two more punches but also stops right at throat I just remember feeling him that’s as close as I’ve ever got to feel Conor but I tell you what DC that speed is real you like him you like Conor McGregor like you really like him I can tell he won you over with his karate he’s like you you’re like the kid I don’t whipped his ass but yes he was fast he was very fast he would but you’re like the kid that like your friend gets a karate outfit he shows up at your house and he starts doing all kind of weird movements and you’re like yo this dude those karate do that’s exactly what Conor did to you and he won you over dude but Michael Chandler does that call out Michael Chandler has done a good job of recreating himself it’s like a Rebrand right in WWE where a guy is who he is for a long time he goes away for a while he comes back and now he’s different and you you just know he’s caring him it was like Stone Cold Steve Austin he was the ring master and all of a sudden he said Austin 316 says bang and it was like oh my goodness what is this I’ve seen this guy since WCW but he’s different Michael Chandler comes to the UFC he beats Dan hooker he goes full on Ric Flair beat me if you can you’re like wow this guy’s in the title picture right away we’re like I want to see Michael Jay forget that he had lost all them times in Bellator forget everything else you wanted to see Michael Chandler then he does this with Conor McGregor that call out to me while it has taken a long time to come to fruition was about as good a call out as we’ve seen in a long time so this new Michael Chandler the UFC Michael Chandler does a great job of stating where he wants to go but when you rate that call out chill where does it stand for you in terms of historic call outs inside the Octagon when Frankie Edgar retired cha sunn needed a new favorite fighter and I gotta tell as I’m like kind of interviewing guys as you will deciding who I’m going to Hitch my wagon to man chaylor in the top three I’m loving this guy and he’s got a 50-50 record since uh I all of a sudden needed a a top guy but he’s getting the entertainment side of it Daniel I I do want to tell you something one thing with Michael CH and Justin gaies got the same problem and Dan Henderson had it before that and Josh kek at the simultaneous they fallen in love with some of the standup a golfer will do this where he falls in love with his swing that’s what it’s called Uh in golf terms he’s falling in love with his right hand and the reason I say say that make no mistake Conor McGregor went 30 minutes with Floyd Mayweather make no mistake no man is safe in a fistic cuffs with a fresh Conor McGregor you want to tell me about round four round five I’ll go ahead and listen to you Michael challenges to close that distance and get him down fast and that’s one thing that nobody’s talking about they’re talking about the Roadhouse and they’re talking about is Conor coming back and they’re talking about 300 and what’s the delay and why is the weight class excuse me 80% of fights go to the ground that’s true 100% of fights starts standing up and Michael Chandler had better find a way to close that distance and I mean now he won’t do it he won’t do it chill he’s not going to do it tell you why I know he will not do it he will not do it and you know why he’s not gonna do it why do you say that Daniel I’m telling you why he won’t do it so for years we’ve been saying Michael Chandler needs to use his wrestling Michael Chandler fall and then he did it against Dustin porier and he got tired and then Dustin submitted him and because of that he will never go back to that well he knows that fight in the standup fight you get less fatigued and while you do run the risk of getting knocked out you’re not going to feel that that that fatigue Chay and you and I both know that fatigue that wrestling and that octagon can provide or it just really makes when when it goes sideways right when the takedowns are harder than you expect them to be when it’s harder to keep the guy down when you don’t get to take that breath when you score the take down it’s hard start to question why did I take this path Michael Chandler did that against Dustin controlled him bad in the first round was winning the fight Dustin ends up submitting him he won’t wrestle him and I think honestly that’s why he’s fighting Conor McGregor because Conor’s gonna get a guy that’s gonna stand with him and that means that Conor will have an opportunity to try to knock him out you know Michael Chandler also has had some great knockouts that that DC I’m sorry that was an excellent analysis by you that was as well said as that can be said and by the way I hope they CLI this because if this doesn’t happen you and I don’t deserve these roles I am co-signing everything that you just said and for the same reasons and on June 29th we’re gonna find out if you and I are good at this job or not absolutely yeah that’s the truth but that’s why I think that’s why but even on that night when he was able to make that call out he landed that head kick on Tony Ferguson who many believe that Tony Ferguson’s days are done his best days are for sure behind him but him even walk walking into an octagon may be too much of a task for presid day Tony Ferguson when is it time to hang up to gloves people say that Tony should be done he hasn’t Matt Brown the other day as in true Matt Brown fashion to chill no big hoopla no Gala No 100,000 word paragraph it was that’s it I’m done it’s over Matt Brown retires how was it making that decision that it was time for you chill and how hard was that proud is a weird word when one grown man calls another grown man and tells him he’s proud of him it can sound condescending I am proud of Matt Brown I love the way he did that I love the decision he came to not for nothing I’m giving lionhardt a good solid look not for nothing I was kind of thinking we had to deal with Jose Al not for nothing I was kind of thinking we had to deal with Chris Weidman and my point is is the fighter is usually the last one to know and the fighter generally he there’s just there’s no drug like it there’s no hide like it there’s no rush like it you cannot reenact even in your fantasy of walking into a crowd of 15,000 people whether they’re cheering or booing but that energy having Bruce say your name and they slam that door I mean it’s it’s one of those things every Gambler right he wants one more one more pull every alcoholic he’s got to have one more drink and every Fighter’s got to have one more walk and he but he makes a deal This Is It win or lose isn’t important to me this is my last one but it never goes that way unless your name George St Pierre or your name Linux Lewis you generally go out on your back and embarrassed that’s just the way that these seem to go and you know so so when you ask me you know how much does somebody have left it’s a tough one man what were your goals did did you see it all the way through what opportunities do you believe in front of you you know and by the way can you live with going out with one more loss or a loss you you have to always imagine that worst case scenario Daniel and I I see so many people trying to sell a book on Amazon for nine bock and tell you all about confidence and you must believe in yourself man you must be realistic with yourself you can then hope and then have a courage but nobody actually knows that’s just something you say after the fact to manufacturing sound good in front of a bunch of kids and I’m I’m just saying it’s it’s one of those things man it’s a tough spot I’m not calling for lion Hart uh retirement for example or Jose’s but I was very proud of Matt Brown yeah it was awesome to see him not make a big deal of it but we I think you know it’s time when you start thinking about the end or the other side so when I would always say I’ll be done at 40 I’ll be done at 40 and I kept going because the money got so good that I went to 41 when I walked out of that octagon after I lost that last title fight I said it’s over but I knew it was Daniel what was Daniel what was your moment what was your moment when you knew it’s coming to aead I knew it was over I I knew honestly I knew it was over before I fought Steve Ames and Anaheim because I couldn’t train the same way wasn’t the same guy like the reason I got so much success was because I worked so hard and I wrestled so much like the amount of wrestling that I was doing uh inside that gym chill you’d be like wow these guys were really really wrestling and I couldn’t do that no more I was managing my wrestling ENT entries I was wrestling once a day I didn’t have college coaches coming in any more training me like I was a college wrestler I knew it was over before that fight but the money had got too Daniel there was a rumor that you had sneezed on a treadmill and threw your back out is that that was in New York that was the day of the the day of the fight I sneezed and threw my back out and I was like man it might be over it was over because I had fought three times in the year before and I could get through those three fights pretty easily but by that one the wear and ter was start because you remember cha they watched us compete on the world’s grandest stage but they didn’t see all those days and nights we spent in the wrestling room and that’s what caught up to me all the days on the wrestling mat caught up to me and I just knew but those championships man the idea that you could still be the best in the world for a guy like me it was too much of a draw and when I couldn’t anymore it was over I knew it was over so cha one of the guys that I fought during my UFC run was Derrick Lewis Derek L is fighting this weekend against Nasim Mento we have to look forward after that fight and we do our headline Hunch what do you think coming out of that heavyweight battle will be the headline hunch going into Monday show Derrick Lewis is gonna have a good night Derrick Lewis is going to finish this fight derck Lewis is is going to lose the fight up until that point that’s what I feel like is going to happen when I when I watch his opponent he gets a little bit careless as he starts to pull away he’s gonna have a pretty easy time with Derek and it’s gonna bite him in the butt Derrick’s gonna knock him out you know my headline hunch is going to be uh is Carlos alberg the real deal right he’s getting an opportunity now to fight against Alonzo minifield Alonzo mfield is a very tough guy he’s been around the sports for a long time he’s fought some of the best can he handle him and if he does how big of a fight is on the horizon for Carlos Alber Dan can I do something Daniel can I do something for me can I do something for I got to ask you a question but David Taylor the Olympic champion the number one ranked pound-for-pound fighter uh wrestler in the world to Y Alam Mater he is going to still water he is the new head coach of Oklahoma State he has no experience but he’s got a whole bunch of gold medals is this the right move you know when you’re Oklahoma State right you want to have the right guy we had and be one a wonderful problem was or not a problem a wonderful fact in regards to Oklahoma State wrestlers we had our own Olympic champion that stayed there for so long he was ready to move on they did a very good search it’s very hard for the prior staff because we all know them we’re all like family Coleman Scott and Chris Perry and all those guys and I love those guys but when I look at this and you look at it for what Oklahoma State has done traditionally this is what they’ve done they’ve gone out and got the best guy they went and they found a guy that’s young he’s fresh he’s knowledgeable and he has the right type of ideas to try to move the program forward you and I both know CH of guys that have watched Oklahoma State wrestling recently we have not been to Oklahoma state that people have come to expect I believe with David Taylor at the helm with David Taylor a guy that loves oklah State man he’s been around Oklahoma State his entire life and the guy that say excited about the opportunity I think we’re gonna be just fine David Taylor is the right guy in today he just announced some of his staff his brother-in-law Jimmy Kennedy who wrestled at Illinois I believe and also Thomas Gilman who’s a world champion and Olympian Olympic bronze medalist is on the staff too I’m hearing that they’re going to keep dating fixed who is one of our Cowboys and I’m hoping that they keep Tyler Caldwell who is uh Tyler Caldwell is a tremendous coach and you need to keep someone in there that knows the business knows Oklahoma State and has worked in that athletic department to kind of help you as you go forward it it is almost paramont that he keep Caldwell now I want to coign everything you said and just remind you there is one NCAA allotted spot left I believe that has been offered to Kyle D I also believe that Kyle Dake wants to train for the Olympic Games in stillw or I apologize in State College so he hasn’t accepted that is a rumor I fully admit it I’ll tell you another rumor I think that David Taylor ought to be on the phone with Gable stevon lock him down for a quad keep him through uh 28 in Los Angeles you got something big guy yeah well I spoke to David and I asked him about Dake he said I want him to focus on Paris but once he’s done with Paris I will try to get him to out to Still Water that’s from the man himself he would love to have KY D still water and we as Cowboys would also love to have the world champion in still water and uh man I wish we I wish I wish I would have talked to Islam about the great KY D because KY dig makes a habit of beating up on the Russian guys and I love that for Islam and them but guys enjoy the fights this weekend Chay and I will be back on Monday with a brand new episode of good guy bad guy Monday and Tuesday every week YouTube ESPN plus ESPN 2 wherever you get your podcast until next time peace [Music]