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On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy…Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, Dominick Cruz, Robbie Lawler, Anthony Smith, Matt Brown and now Dustin Poirier. Are we seeing an end of an era with the OG’s of the game laying down the gloves? Plus, the Bad Guy has a “conspiracy theory” about the newly-crowned lightweight champ Ilia Topuria, his promise to the UFC and Islam Makhachev. Then, can you guess who DC & Chael say packed the hardest punch during their careers? And could we soon see a matchup between Tom Aspinall and Derrick Lewis for the heavyweight strap? Oh, yeah…Chael is telling more lies!
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Daniel, he hit me with that hand. I remember the late great Robert Follus going, "Hey, you're going to be okay.
Hey, hang on." I remember I remember trying to like piece together what happened. And Dan looks at me while I'm still on the ground and goes, "I didn't
even hit you that hard." [Music]
What's happening, guys? Welcome to Good Guy, Bad Guy. I'm Chale. This is Daniel and partner. I got to start off with one
simple question. Did you get your car back? So, oh my goodness. They found it. They
found my car, bro. In Hayward. And you know what's crazy about the whole thing? Kale.
Where is I'm sorry. I don't know where Hayward is. Where's Hayward? California. Oakland. Yeah, it's right by Oakland.
You know, you know where Oaktown is. You know, it gets a little it gets a little tricky out in Oakland. Uh, yes. There's
a town right next to Oakland. Ch. You would have thought that with that much heat on the vehicle, that's what they
call it, heat. Whenever something's like a hot car, hot. You ever had a friend that tried to go, "Hey man, I got these
Jordans I want to sell you or something." You're like, "Those are hot. I don't want those. You stole those." Um, you would think it's on the news.
You find out it's mine. Get rid of the car. Somebody was driving it as if it as their own. Chill. It was just their
vehicle. They had taken off the VIN number and changed it. Then they took it to the DMV and got license tags. Jill,
how do you do that? How do you dig it? That's a thing. I I've actually heard of this that that if you can get Now, you
got to know where all the VIN numbers are. There's not just the one on the dash, there's one on the door. But if you know how to switch those out, it can
be complicated. But you had like a GPS or something, wasn't it? I thought it was on like a boat. It looked like it was on a boat, but they said that a lot
of times when they're driving out in that area, it pings in the water. So, I
thought it was gone. But, I mean, they still they found the car. The the San Jose PD, bro, they're really really
good. They're really really good. You know, Daniel, by the way, Daniel, by the way, when it's time to start this show,
we have to start the show. There's a whole control room and sometimes we got to catch up.
But it turns out that we started the show right after I had a French fry and
it turns out it's a little bit stuck in. So, I'm I'm trying to get it out, but it might be best to just tell you. All right.
Okay. Bring something up to you. Can I bring something up because you're in Nashville, Derek Lewis,
who's on the card, who everybody loves, by the way. People love the beast, myself included. Not for nothing. Myself
included at the presser. Didn't even talk about his opponent Saturday. He called out Tom Aspenol.
And he went as far as to say it's a style issue. I'm changing his words a little bit, but he was talking about it's a style issue. I'll stand and I'll
trade with him. And Daniel, as soon as he said it, I got to tell you, I did like I realized that
fight isn't happening. I realize no matter how great Derek looks, he's not going in title fight. I'm just sharing
with you. It resonated in some degree and we don't really know what's going with the heavyweight division. Tom's got
something. You and I are starting to rumor about Surreal. Jon Jones is back in the testing pool. I'm just sharing
that's what the beast said. Did you happen to hear it? So, yes. Yes. I heard I heard about Derrick Lewis and he said a lot about
that. It's like, hey, when my grandmother used to babysit me as a kid, there were these morning soap opers, As
the World Turns, The Young and the Restless, and all those the days of our lives. They all played and uh that's the
heavyweight division. We're going to get to that though. Chill. We have to like You're right. That control room. Guess what? There's even a button that knocks
just on my side that tells me to get on topic at this point. And I guess the first topic is retirements because of
the big fights that are happening in the next couple weeks and the retirements. But I do want to talk about the beast.
So we should uh discuss Derrick Lewis and what he said later in the show. But retirements tail, we are kind of getting
into an area where we're running through an era. Some of the greatest fighters
from the previous era are hanging up their boots as they would say in wrestling or putting the gloves down.
Dustin Porier is retiring. He gets to do it on his own terms. How many guys or
women do you feel deserve to do it on their own terms? We know that Dustin is
doing it and he rightfully deserves so. This guy saying, "I'm going to be done with the game before the game is done
with me." That's a hard thing to do, Chelp, as two dudes that fought
probably when we shouldn't have been fighting anymore. It's hard to let go of
it, though, isn't it? And Dust Poor is letting go of it. It's a death. I I mean, even if it's the death of a
career, it's still a death. It's a very confusing thing, particularly when you cling to that or that's your identity or
other people know you, whatever it might be. It's very hard that that spot of going out on your own terms was reserved
for two people at one point, Lennox Lewis and George St. Pierre.
And I'm just sharing that with you. You know, Mayweather's kind of done it. That list probably needs amended a little
bit, but it's it's never a great idea to to to bank on a guy that's knowing he's going
out there for the last time for whatever reason. I just mean historically. If you if you were to kind of total those up,
it just doesn't generally go well. I got to put Dustin in a unique category though. Like I don't Dustin doesn't want
to be done. Dustin doesn't have to be done. Dustin, as a matter of fact, said,
"I'm going to do two more fights." At which point he got confronted uh by Dana
and Hunter Campbell that said, "Listen, make it one last fight. We'll put the belt up. We'll bring Max and we'll even
do it in Louisiana." So, I just tell you like Dustin doesn't have to go and it is
a little bit of a different circumstance. I feel I feel inside, you know, for Dustin Porier.
I believe that he's getting that red carpet treatment by getting the fight in New Orleans. And honestly, he wasn't
supposed to be here. And that's what's so impressive about Pory his entire career. When he came here, he fought a
guy named Josh Grisby. Josh Grisby was supposed to be the high the hot young prospect. Dustin did away with him and
then he continued to get better and better and better. There were moments over the course of his career where it
wasn't good, but he kept grinding away and eventually became one of the best fighters in the world. A guy that held
an interim championship, won the BMF title. He's done some amazing things.
Unfortunately, not many people can do what Dustin is doing. Michael Jordan
came back, Bill. Michael Jordan came back when he had the most perfect retirement of all time after he hit that
winner over Byron Russell to win another NBA championship. Second three repeat. It was fairy tale for the greatest
player of all time. He came back and played for the Wizards. Dustin saying, "I'm done with it." It's hard to walk
away from something, especially for a guy like DP who before fighting was a
kid that got into a whole bunch of trouble in Louisiana. really had not many prospects for the big life that he
has created for himself. But he's saying enough is enough. But that leads me to this question. Why can't more people do
that? Why are more people not willing to walk away before this game spits you
out? Because eventually it's going to spit you out.
I I I know the answer because I'm one of those stats. I I live through it. Me,
too. The the lifestyle is very seductive. I mean, I will tell you the the least enjoyable part of fighting is
the fight, but the lifestyle is great. I mean, you work out in the morning, you
you see the team, there's a little socializing. Y Yeah. You you go home and you kind of
feel like you've earned a little bit of rest whether you have or not. You go back in the afternoon, you come back in the evening, it's the same thing. You
you're exhausted. You feel like you've kind of you kind of put in a full day. And it's it's it's a very tough thing to
walk away from. Not to mention, I mean, don't forget there there's a narcissistic side to anybody that
chooses to go into individual sport as opposed to team sport. And part of a narcissist supply, it's not just the
commodity of money. You're also trading in the commodity of attention. You're trading in the commodity of what does my
Twitter handle say today? And and then you've also got hope. You're clinging to
hope that at the right moment, at the right time, you can bring out the right version of yourself. And when you're in
the practice room, you sometimes see those glimpses. You sometimes are doing so well. You go, man, if if if that can
just be the guy that shows up at this specific day and time, it's a lie. It's a myth. But we lie to
oursel. And those are some of the things involved. And don't forget the money. It's a profession. And and as you as you
as you're done, right, you and I have created great careers outside of fighting.
I don't see the checks I saw when I was fighting. Not at one time. You might build over the course of a year to a
massive number, a great number, but you ain't walking out of an arena on a Saturday night with a high seven figure
check. It just does not happen anymore. So that money, that lifestyle, it really does drag you in. One of the great
champions that we've had in a long time said just recently, he goes, "My family
wanted me to retire." It's Alexander Vinowski. He said, "But I fight for money. I've always fought for money. I
want to be able to take care of my family. It's never been about legacy." How dangerous is that though? Especially
for a guy like Vul who after that fight chill could have had that fairy tale ending because if Vulcganowski leaves as
the champion again. Uh it it doesn't get any better. He just
beat a young dangerous Diego Lopez won the belt again. He can walk away and and
be in the clear. But he says I still got money to make. I still got to take care of my family. Honorable. But as what
happened with Ilia where Vog was just a man eventually somebody's coming that's
going to really become a problem for you. Vet is about the cash and he's got cash to make. So he's still fighting.
I have to know everything Daniel. I have to know everybody's business. I have to know what you made. I have to know what Vulks made. But but I'm actually
standing around and thought about that because because Vulk was in on participation but a large part of his
career was his co-main event. And I' I've just always been curious like like here's a guy, he's got one wife, he
doesn't have a gambling problem, he doesn't have a a drug problem. He should have a whole bunch of money. And I think
that he does. But you have to ask yourself at some point, are you fighting for money or are you
fighting for legacy? And it's a very different thing. And generally when a guy is done and we all go out the same way, which is
flat on your back staring at the light. I mean, that's how everybody goes out that isn't Linux or George. Okay.
You do the job. You do the job. You put the other guy over. Yep. If you're putting the young guy over, it
is what it is. Like that's just the nature of the beast. And that's the real question is you have to ask yourself,
you know, I'm I'm going to get to that point for sure. But is it worth it? Would I rather squeeze all the juice
out? And different guys have different answers. I mean, here we are talking about Vulk, the decision that he made to
stay in it, but one week ago we're complaining that that Jon Jones pulled out. So, I mean, like like as fans, like
our hypocrisy really knows no bounds. I respect what Vulk was saying. And
frankly, Vulk statistically should not have been able to come back and capture the championship. And when he did,
I thought everything should be on the table. Everything. Including possibly walking away. But that's that's not his
mindset. and and he's a champion and I think it's one of the things that makes him special. But there there is a way
that this story you said something earlier and I'll just paraphrase it, but you were never done with this business. One day you will wake up to find out
this business is done with you. Done with you. Yep. It's done with you at it. All of us chill. Boot the BTA
boot the ass. Show you the door. Hey, do you do you remember where you were? Do you remember where you were when you realized I won't do this
forever? Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. I was at my house. I woke up one morning and I was
like, man, my back when I got done with that fight in November and I went home
and started training with Kane and I kicked him and I didn't kick him hard, but when I kicked him, that sharp pain
went down my leg and up my back where I was almost paralyzed. I was like, it's over. Like you just I knew it was kind
of over. But again, sadly, when you want to walk away is generally when you're
doing better than you've ever done, right? to show up at that arena. It's not what you made before. You could have
defended that belt multiple times, but the moment you step in the door as the heavyweight champ, the money's doubled.
It's like, got to keep going. I got to keep going. So, yeah, I knew I knew it was over, but ultimately, you got to
keep fighting. And I think a lot of guys do that, right? And they set themselves up for what life looks like after. But
like you said, we all end up the same way. You do the job. Hulk Hogan did the job for the Ultimate Warrior. If you can
if Hulk Hogan does the job, everybody does the job except Jon Jones, George St. Pierre, Lennox Lewis, Floyd
Mayweather, and Kabib. Those guys are very rare guys that got out clean. But and we all question them, by the way,
whether it was Kabib or it was St. Pierre or it was Jones 13 days ago.
Yeah, we we did question them. But then as time went on, their their answer was kind of like a fine wine. Like when we
discuss the greatest ever, we discuss Kabib and we discuss George Pierre and if John's done then then right, he'll be
part of that discussion. So it's it's an interesting thing. You know, a fan a fan is very fickle and and there's a real
strength that you have to show to make make it a decision on your own like that and stand up to everybody and call the UFC and and give them, you know, new
news that that they don't want. It's it's a really it's a tough thing really and stick with it and to stick with it.
I mean, Jones lasted eight days, but chill. So there were a lot of recent retirements, lot of them. Um, Jones,
Dominic Cruz, Anthony Smith, Jose Aldo, Robbie Lawler, Matt Brown. Okay. Okay. I
love this list and I love all of these guys on this list, but there are a couple dudes in there. I mean, you can't
say Jon Jones, Dominic Cruz, Jose Aldo, Robbie Lawler, and then Amanda Nunes,
then have Matt Brown and Anthony in there. I mean, I'm not being disrespectful, Joe, but like they can't really be in that. These guys are like
the greatest fighters of all time. But I get the idea. There are a lot of retirements this year. Is it the end of
an era? The era that brought so many new fans in the mixed martial arts and allowed for the UFC to be the UFC that
it is today that is global. Are you taking my job? Are you Are you becoming the bad guy? Did I just see a
brief heel? I kind of went heel a little bit towards towards I went heel on I went heel on Anthony and Matt Brown.
Yeah, come on. Yeah, I I'll tell you, man. It's hard for me when when guys retire. I remember
when you retired. I remember the day you retired, Melvin. Like, yeah, it's hard that that changing of the
guard is just a a tough thing. I still can't I close my eyes and see visions of of when Stipe took the shot to the
stomach and he he's falling backwards and and it's the go of an air Yeah. when Fedor says he's
done like whatever it might be. I I still enjoy Don Fry and Dan Se I remember Tank Abbott's last fight. I
mean it's a tough thing when guys do that but it it is a very tough thing to
second guessess. You know Dana's had to speak on this and Dana used to have to
push both ways. Hey stay in it. You got more. Hey get out. You're done. And now
Dana's got a stance and I think he's found the right answer which is if somebody is thinking about retiring
probably should. And it's a simple line by Dana but god darn it. There's just so
much truth to it. I mean I've been following the sport as a fan since 1993. I really think that that's probably the
perfect way to look at it. If a if a guy thinks he should retire, he probably should. The one guy I feel like Dana made walk
away that just didn't want to is Chuck. Yep. It just felt like Chuck for everything in his body just did not want
to go. But I think Dana cared about him so much that he was like, I can't let you do this no more. And that's why they
still rolled Chuck out there, right? To let him get his love, put him on the camera. Like cuz they know that for Chuck Liddell, when you go to that level
of superstar, cuz you remember how big of a star Chuck was back in the day. When you go to that level, you know that
something's going to be missing when that's gone. How about this? A lot of pro, a lot of promotions have gone. Uh,
Pride Strike Force absolved WC absolved. But there were a lot of fighters that
were still competing, right? We kept seeing the names. Two left, Jill. Two left only from WEC. Harani Yaya and Cub
Swanson. Only two active fighters left. So when I say it's an end of an era,
it's not only end of an era, it's the end of the promotion itself. I mean, I can't imagine there's many guys left or
girls left that were fighting in strike force that are still competing now. It's like we are really moving on to a whole
new uh world and mix. I mean, look at Iliotia. Iliot when we were all like
fighting in WC Strike Force, this dude was like an 11year-old kid just learning to wrestle and do everything. And we all
recognized that there was a group of children that were saying, "I'm going to
be a MMA world champion." And not just wrestling, not just doing jiu-jitsu, not just boxing, did all MMA. And Iliot is
one of those guys. And now he's a world champ. It's uh it's crazy. Hey Daniel, you you speak of Iliot. He
just came out and said something very interesting, which is prior to getting the title fight against Charles. Prior
to doing that, the UFC made him make a commitment. We'll make a commitment to you to give you a title shot, but you
give one to us. You don't go to 170. You got you come out of 45, you leave that belt behind. We'll figure it out, but
you got to stay at 55. And I'm just wondering what what you think about that because the the UFC is only as good as
the information that they have. I don't think anybody, including the UFC,
knew how damn good Ilia was and how powerful he was. he could protect himself at all times, even at 170. It's
an interesting it's an interesting topic and I've never heard of it before. So, I think I think that compliment that
that that statement is a compliment to Ilia Seapori. It really tells him how dangerous he is. He's he's a bit scary
because now you have a guy that could potentially do all those things that people have spoken about for so long.
You and I have now for I don't know two years tried to think of a guy that can
be a three division champion and Alex Pereira was like, "Oh my god, this guy might be able to do it." So then we
start throwing it into the universe. The UFC recognized Ilia coming going, "Hey man, this dude could potentially be a
real issue because he is that good. We got to make sure that if he goes up, he
makes a commitment to us to stabilize here for a second. There's so in Europe
like soccer, right? So soccer over in Europe, they have like a they go up and
they go downhill per year. If you're not one of the better teams, you get relegated down to a division below. So
some teams when they go up, they go stabilized here, we're fine. It it makes
the weight class in this sense, talking lightweight, uh where you look and you
know the champ. There's nothing better chill than having the champion in a weight class for a long time because
that division then is represented and you recognize the division for the guy. Like when John Jones was there, you knew
he was the world champ at 205. When I was there, you knew I was the world champ. You need that guy. And they're
like, "Man, we don't need Ily continuing to jump weight classes because while it's great for him, it may not be the
best thing for our brand. So, give us a give us a chance. Stabilize here for a little bit. then we'll approach and deal
with you going up if that's something you want to do down the line. Yeah. Well, and Ilas Ilas actually gets
a little bit more confusing because it's very hard to just deny the Ilia Islam
beef and at some point it's look is islam going to come down and he's going
to go for champ status or or Ilia is going to go up and go for champ status. And I got to tell you that because a
number of our media keep getting that wrong. Ilia is not a champ champ. He he is not a double champ. He he is a twotime champion. There's a difference.
And with the guys it matters. There's there's certain titles that they want. Which one of them's which one's them
going to have it? I mean don't forget when when Islam has to go out and he's got to fight Vulk. Either way, Vulk
wakes up the next morning. Either no matter what happens, he wakes up the champion of the world. And the same
thing wasn't said for Islam. It was kind of a tough ask of Islam to do, not let
alone to do twice. And I was just sharing with you if that fight comes to fruition. One of them is going to have
to move weights. And it's not as simple as you want where they're going to look at and go, "Oh, it's a disadvantage for me or it's an advantage." They're not
always like that, man. Some guys are greedy. They want it all and they want all the hardware and they're they're willing to give up a few pounds for an
opportunity to add something to their resume. So, it's something to keep in mind. And I I could see a very real
scenario. Everywhere I turn, the UFC is comparing Ilia Tapori to Conor McGregor.
Everywhere I turn, except with this, I mean, let me remind you, Conor McGregor three separate times fought at 170. If
it's good enough for him, it's something to be considered, partner. Yes. Yes. And I think I think honestly
that's might be where the Ilia poor Islam thing is because there are a lot of comparisons to Connor. But Ilia is
not as like out there as Connor was. He's very sure of himself and he does
say things that can be interpreted as oh this guy's coming at me but I don't feel like he's as out there as Connor was.
But hopefully somehow those guys come together. Charles Olivero who just got knocked out by Ilia has fought. Listen
to this list. Chill. Arman, Dustin, Islam, Justin, Ferguson, Holloway,
Felder, Frankie Edgar, Cowboy Cerrone. He's fought them all. Yeah. He said hands down, no one punches like
Ilia Taporia. And that is a guy coming up in weight classes. We did this thing a few years ago with Justin, Dustin,
Charles, and we were like, and Taylor, who hits the hardest? And people kept going, Charles. Charles, Charles, but
Charles is now saying this guy hands down. Like, what does that mean to hear
that coming from Dub Bronx? Well, it's actually a very big deal like the psychology behind it. You won't find
very many guys that get beat that will then give a compliment. They generally want a rematch. They will use all their
time trying to get back or talk about my strategy or they'll make up some excuse or they'll claim that they were hurt. I mean, like, this is the way that this
game is played. for a guy to stand back and simply talk about Yeah, it's a rare
thing. D, I gotta tell you to go back to Jon Jones. When I fought John, me and
Clayton and the rest of the team, like there was never to this day a discussion about working back to him. It was more
of a stance of we we understand, young man, go enjoy your reign. We'll be
over here in the corner. But yeah, but but I'm just sharing like those words aren't easy to say when you win the
fight or you don't. You you still got an ego. And I thought it was a tremendous compliment that Dub Bronx said. As a
matter of fact, I appreciate you bring it up because it had to do with my commentary I gave just just before that about maybe Ilia going to 170. You know,
when the word starts getting out, you start getting a reputation and you turn out to have this this Mike Tyson-like
power in that whatever you hit you can you can destroy. I I think it adds and
lends to the idea that perhaps Ilia could be a welterweight. Well, I think that he has power to fight
just about anybody. I think where we start to run into problems that welterweight is they're just so big. They're like he's cuz he's he looked
thick and strong in the octagon, but he was noticeably smaller than Charles Olivera in terms of like his height and
everything. Like, hey, what about how much smaller he was than Patty the Batty? Yeah. Patty was cowered over him.
Yeah. So if there's any worry,
it would be that, you know, like cuz Islam is big at 170. He's like tall and have you seen him lately? He looks huge.
Like his body's filling out. But Jack Dela Matalena is humongous. And if you ever stood next to Bal Muhammad to see
him through the middle, his chest, his back, these guys are Leon Edwards is 6'2. I mean, those guys are big guys
when you start getting to uh 170 pounds. But I think it's amazing to hear that for uh from a guy. And it made me think,
who was the hardest puncher that I had been in there with? I think you and I could agree with one though. One guy uh
that hit harder than just about anyone, Dan Henderson. Dan Henderson never got
to hit me. He never really got to hit me outside of him being on his back and hitting me or in the clinch like hitting
me a couple times. I could not believe how much impact
he was making from such a short distance. I was like, "What is this dude made out of?" Like, did he use this bar
with him? That's crazy. He used to throw that hand in practice and then he he
would argue that because he had the big glove on, it was okay. I've never been
knocked down in a fight. I've never even been knocked down. Daniel, he hit me with that hand. I remember the late great Robert Fus going, "Hey, you're
gonna be okay. Hey, hang on." I remember I remember trying to like piece together what happened. And Dan looks at me while
I'm still on the ground and goes, "I didn't even hit you that hard." And I remember I couldn't respond like I
was still trying to kind of figure out. Sorry to use that word. I'm just giving you a quote. Hey, by the way, I would never imply that you and then have a
buddy steal it to scrap it out for parts. I wouldn't apply that. But if you did, you'd probably send it to Oakland, wouldn't you?
Joe, listen to this. Hayward, here's what's funny. Jail, here's what's funny. My insurance company is making me
do fingerprints, everything. They're not like, they don't believe that. Hey, are
you going to give DNA? Sure. Can I have your sales receipt? Sure. Can I have when your insurance is put on this
thing? Sure. Can I have the text messages to anyone that you talk to about the car getting stolen? Sure.
Guys, I did not steal my own car. It's crazy. It really is kind of bad. It's kind of bad that they make you feel like
that when you're I'm the victim. I'm the victim. I had a car stolen and it was a very
strange thing. It was stolen out of my driveway. And Daniel, I came back in the house and sat down and I got a drive. It's this little It's this little tiny
driveway. I walked back out and looked for it again. I came back inside. I walked back out and looked for it again.
My garage was a workout room. It was full of wrestling mats and a heavy bag. I've never parked a car in my garage
ever. I don't even have a lawn mower in my garage. I went and looked in the garage for the car. Like I couldn't process what was going on.
It's a horrible feeling. And then they sent a dude to the house. He sits down with me and he does this
whole thing and I thought, "My god, you think I stole the car?" This is highly This is highly uncomfortable.
I've been in your spot. You've even got a video of of of when I pull it out of the garage or when the your friend stole
the garage. When when the guy pulled it out of the garage. I also have to send my travel
from Vegas, San Jose to Vegas, Vegas back to San Jose. It's the wildest thing ever. But it it really does make you
feel uncomfortable. Rumble Johnson hit very hard. Also, Derek Lewis, who by the way, uh we're going to talk about next
like you want to talk about. He hit hard. I had his leg up holding a single leg and he hammerfisted me and it kind
of just rolled down my face. I had a black eye like I had been in a five round war fighting Derrick Lewis. The
way that this man hits, he kicked my arm, boom, knots everywhere. He's just a
powerhouse. And uh wait, who who hit who hit harder? The late Rumble or or the Beast?
I think because of the size of Derrick Lewis, like he was 260 when we fought. Rumble was what 225.
He was faster. So he made he made his impact was quicker and it was felt sooner because he was so fast. But in
terms of Derek with that thuting, Derek had that thing Hendo had. It was like that thuing power where they didn't even
really need to punch through the glove. When they made contact with the glove, it was like boom boom and everything
just kind of hurt getting hit by Derrick Lewis. But earlier you spoke about Derrick Lewis and he said he would like
to fight Tom Aspenol. Yeah. He said that if he after he wins out this weekend he would knock out the
champ. says that he has a better chance of knocking Aspenol out than he would he
had when he fought me or Sirrogon. I I would imagine he talked about me because
he knew I was going to just keep taking him down. And with Sirro gone, Sirill moves so much he probably figured he
would have a tough time tracking him. He feels he has a better chance against Aspenol. Uh what do you make of that
chill? Okay. So, when I heard him say it, it it it made me think, look,
there's something going on in the heavyweight division. When Tom came on here with you and I, he told us, I can't
announce my own fights, which is a UFC policy that we know. He said, "But I do have the fight." And he said, "But I
will leave you with something. It's not Jon Jones." And we just thought he was working. We thought he was having fun. ESPN invited
him on. He didn't want to miss the opportunity. But then, as a little time went on, it wasn't Jon Jones. Now, I
personally do believe that Tom has been called and Tom has been told who it's
going to be and where it's going to be. I believe that. However, there is some room
to change your mind. There is some room like there's something going on at
heavyweight. and whether there's room for Almeida. We've all thought it was going to be
surreal and we even asked Tom about it and I thought he acted a little weird, but now you got Jon Jones back in the
pool. Like there is something going on at heavyweight. Not not to mention the rumor that I'm starting of Alex Pier
like like something is going on. And when Derek made the comment that I could
be fighting Tom and so many people perked up, it it adds to my theory that
that that perhaps the phone call that Tom got and the idea that once was
is being relooked at and there is room in life for what's known as a knee-jerk reaction. And if you were planning to
announce Jon Jones versus Tom, just for example, and you were planning to announce Madison Square Garden in
November, just for example, and you get a phone call that not only is Jon out, and you got this on the whiteboard in
the war room, you find out that he's out of the pool, he's out of the sport, and he's given up his belt, that would be a
time where you would hustle to fill that in and possibly have a knee-jerk reaction. I think the heavyweight
division is being relooked at for what possibly was true two weeks ago. That's a
conspiracy, but I believe it. I love your conspiracy though because they they have happened to Remember that
one time you got one right and we actually celebrated you.
We had a segment for you getting it right, man. That was just like I love when you get it right. Um
Derek said that he would probably fight better against Tom. I don't know. I don't know. You know, he's 40 now. Uh
heavyweights can fight much longer than most can. He looked very lean today in the fighter meeting. He has a fight this
weekend where in those instances, in those situations, he usually does very
well uh against Terara, but Tom Aspenol
seems to me like he is just going to be operating on a different level for a little bit. Sirrogon would seem to have
the type of style to challenge him because Sirrogon moves a lot. He's very athletic. He's he's he's a tremendous
striker. He does a lot of the same things as Tom and he can move and match him with with that movement. Um would I
like to see Derrick get another opportunity? Of course, cuz he's always fun. And the build to a Derrick Lewis
fight is always as fun and uh off the rails as anything we experience in mix
mixed martial arts. But he fights this weekend in order to even have that as a thought and to be involved in the
stories uh of as the world turns and guiding light and you know young and the
restless you have to get a victory and that starts on Saturday night as he takes on to share. But tell me before we
go and the restless good call from earlier. Genua City. Genova City was the place
that these people lived. Uh the Newman family. I I'll never forget that for the rest of my life watching. Do women still
watch uh do they still watch Morning uh
those shows? All just women by the way. Just said yes. Eric just said yes. Air goes yes.
Are they still on? I don't know. But is day is that still on? That was work television.
My father to save 20 bucks a month convinced my sister and I that where we lived we couldn't get cable like it
wasn't a thing. So we only had channel 2 uh 6 and then eventually Fox came along
and that was it. But I don't know if it's still on. I don't really watch that anymore. My channel's
locked on ESPN. Yeah, they used Yeah, I guess it's still on. I'm going have to turn my channel to
uh CBS and see how old Victor Newman looks. Cuz the one thing about those sitcom actors, they do not retire. I
mean, they don't retire. Days of our lives. Victor Newman. Do you remember? No. Victor is from Patch.
I think they did some I think they did some cross shows a while back where it was Victor would go to Days of Our
Lives. People would go to Young in the It was It was crazy. Victor was a bad guy. He was a bad guy, man. He was a bad guy.
Um and he married everybody in the city. He literally was married to everybody in the city at one point in his life. So,
not only was he a bad guy, he was a player. Player. He couldn't stop. He couldn't stop. All right, Kale,
before we go, two truths and a lie. You got one for me this week? All right.
Green means stop, red means go. That's one. Daniel Cormier is the greatest light heavyweight of all time. That's
two. And number three is no animals were harmed in the making of LeBron James new
hairline.
Do you want to predict which one is true? Uh, no. No.
By the way, when they come in and they ask you for your text messages, is is that like limited to or can they just
start scanning to No, they're going to get they're going to get my conversation with Zack Candido
because they were like, "What did you do when you guys said, "Oh, I called my boss. I texted my boss. They want to see
me and Zach in our conversation." So, Okay. Um,
I mean, there's things in a text in a in an open text message that that that
may be private. I mean, that's a big ask of somebody. That's a big ask. A big ask. And I pay the bill. I don't
skip out on the bill. Jail every month. Just insure my vehicle.
LeBron James' hairline. No animals are harmed. I'm the greatest light heavyweight of all time. Absolutely.
That's true. Um, uh, what was the third one? The third one was uh
green means stop, red means go. Okay. No, that's a lie. That's a lie.
Okay, we'll never know. I'll never tell. I'm no snitch. You You'll never tell.
I won't give up my text messages. I'll eat the price of the car. Cuz I ain't no rat.
Because you're that rich is why. Hey man, you can save a lot of money living in Oregon. Uh Daryl told me. Daryl
literally told me how much money you make and I was astounded. You don't
just an interesting thing, Daniel. If one of my cars was gone, I have wondered how long it would take me to
notice. Oh, that's an interesting thing. That's what I'm talking about. A guy like yourself, he's got one
vehicle, otherwise he calling Uber. But it might take a while. Exactly. Guys, that's Chill Sunday. I'm
Daniel Cormier, and this is another episode of Good Guy Bad Guy. Until next time. Peace. [Music]