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On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy…Move over Chael because the real Bad Guy is the father of the UFC Heavyweight Champ of the world, Tom Aspinall? Andy Aspinall is ruffling some feathers, speaking out about Tom’s injury, not re-signing with the UFC, and plans to take his talents to the Boxing ring next! Then, would you fight your teammate on the world’s biggest stage? Well, it could be a decision Tom may have to make if Ante Delija wins this weekend and keeps climbing the ranks. Tom says he won’t fight him but what do the guys think? And, this week in MMA history, 100 years ago the very first Gracie gym opened its doors. We take a trip down memory lane.
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What was his name? Ant. It doesn't matter what his name is, Jabroni. If he's fighting on TV and I
haven't heard of him, it doesn't matter what his name is.
What's happening, guys? Welcome to another episode of Good Guy Bad Guy. I'm Chale. He's Daniel. And let me ask you
something, partner. Do you ever wish that you were athletic? Like in your prime? Chill. I don't know where this I'm
losing my voice when people ask me stuff. I don't know where this started. I don't know where these kids get these
ideas to just be so ridiculous and disrespectful, but I'm at I'm in Abu Dhabi at UFC 232, I think. Which one was
last week? 31 or 32? 31. 231. 321. Yeah. No one knows.
Yeah. Yeah. And this gal comes up to me and goes, "Hey DC, you ever been athletic?" And
I'm like, "What is wrong with you?" Like, "What is wrong with these children?" Joe, why do they do that?
Like a fellow athlete or just a person passing by? She works for the UFC just sits there.
It's She's a younger girl that does social media or something goes, "Hey, DC, you ever wish that you were athletic
in your prime?" And I'm like, "Oh, you're so disrespectful." Here's the thing. I saw the video. I saw the video.
What they didn't show in the video is how bad I cussed everybody out in that room. I mean, jail. I was like, "Come
on, man. You just gonna disrespect me and all my accomplishments." It's crazy. That's pretty bad.
That's pretty bad. I can't up that one. But I went to the PI and I I didn't get permission cuz it was for fighters only
and my my face was on the wall right behind her and I said, "That's my ID right there." And she looked at that
picture and looked back at me and she's like, "Come on. You you got you got to do better than that. Come on, Jill."
I did not get in. I ended up leaving. went back to the house, got my driver's license.
That's terrible. It's Hey, it tells us that we're getting we're far away from our career. Do you remember back in the
day we could just go in anywhere? Every door opened when we worked in Los
Angeles. There was not a place we could not step foot in. You show up and you
say they you went your friends and they go, "How are we going to get in? There's no reservations." And you just do this.
This This is how we get it. I mean, all of this right here is how we are going
to get a table at this restaurant. And it always worked, but I don't know that it works like that anymore. And you know
what happens, Chill? People start to hate you when you got it that good at times. But some people don't mind being
hated. And uh right now my favorite
character in the world of mixed martial arts today is quickly becoming Andy Aspenol because Andy Aspenol is making a
play at going bad guy. You're talking about the old man. I'm talking about the old man, the
coach, the dad. The one that when Tom won and he hugged his father, we were so
filled with love and joy. Sounds like Andy is making the decision to go, "Hey,
my kid's a heavyweight champ of the world. You want a bad guy, I'll be your bad guy." And let me give you some
examples, right? Andy's the one giving updates on Tom, saying his eye still can't see. That's
fine. Andy was kind of negotiating in public last week. Remember, he said, "I'm not resigning. We're going to go
box." and he's playing the game and at times that can rub people the wrong way,
but he doesn't seem to be bothered by it. He said that his son
still can't see t uh chill. I mean, is this injury worse than we might have thought initially?
Well, I have to tell you, it's none of my business is kind of how I felt. But the doctor did make a statement that
there was no long-term damage. and no long-term damage is the nicest way possible to say the eye is not injured.
So, I it's a really tough spot. I mean, I I don't I don't question the guy. I don't question that the fingers went in
his eye. I never know the best times, Daniel, when sometimes you got to just lay out. Just lay out. Be quiet. If
you're hurt, you don't have to tell anybody cuz the world will know, right? Like whatever happened here, whatever is the truth on the eye was filmed in 4K
and broadcast around the world. It doesn't really matter if your dad steps in or your doctor or your friend or your
your childhood sweetheart. We all saw what happened and a decision was made.
Which by the way, that's probably the part that you and I should dwell on the most. One sport on the face of the earth
is regulated by the government and it's this one. And somewhere in all of the clauses that they have, we turn to the
fighter for his opinion. There is no sport in the world where you would turn to Mario Andredy or Tiger Woods or
Dominique Moiano. You would never ask the athlete, "What do you think we should do here?" And it's a little bit
weird in MMA that we do put that on Tom. I don't think that that Tom would have any of this stuck to him if the ref just
made a call. Yeah. Well, chill. First off, those names that you listed as athletes, they
really do date us. Those names that you listed as athletes are going to be a reason we don't get into the restaurant.
If you keep naming Dominic and Mario Andre and Dominic Moiano, I mean,
they're I they're our age. But chill. Um, here's there's a bigger issue brewing
here, okay? And God, I hate doing this, right? Last Saturday, I was very
complimentary of the officials because they seemed to be very assertive. They
were sure that there was no questions, especially after Vancouver,
but in that main event, Jason didn't want to make that decision. He didn't
want to make that decision. And I believe that that is because of the fallback from some of the things that
have happened recently with the referees. So, he goes to the to to the
to the guy the and the guy says, "I'm telling him this, this, and the other. There's nothing more I can do. I can't
keep talking to him to tell him what's wrong with his eye because the guy's like, I can't push him to fight. The
doctor can't make you fight, right? Jason Herszog doesn't want to call his fight off because he knows what comes
with calling his fight off. Chill, you and I both recognized about a minute into that whole situation
that the fight was done. There was no coming back because the moment you say, "I can't see," the fight's over. And Tom
couldn't see. He could not see. So Herszog should have been the one to uh
say, you know what, fight's over. Dude can't see. You don't put that in the fighter. Just like you don't put Kevin Holland getting hit low to stop
fighting. You you don't make them make those choices. But I think the bigger issue is these officials now when
they're faced with massive decisions, they get a little bit uncertain, man, because they understand the
repercussions that come with making the call because Herszog's in the octagon. People are booing and going crazy. And
at times they get blamed for things that's not even their fault. It wasn't his fault that the fight got stopped.
Yeah, that's right. The only one to blame here is Surreal. The only one that did anything wrong is only one that did something wrong.
Yeah. And it's been ruled that that was unintentional. But I got to tell you, Daniel, I was mad at the whole thing. I mean, I'm sitting there as a viewer, as
a fan. I've flown into Bristol. I got my nice suit on and I felt shorted. I felt mad. And I fully admit to you, I didn't
know which way to push that energy. But the least mad I was was that surreal.
And I don't know why. I mean, that that doesn't objectively make a whole lot of sense. I do think that the rules in and
of themselves do need looked at. You have the only sport in the world regulated by government and there's a
bylaw somewhere within that sport that the the athlete makes the call. That in and of itself without giving a jury of
our peers any other information is weird. If the wrong words comes out of Tom's mouth, and that's why the doctor
can't smarten him or the referee can't smarten him. We've seen many guys Chris Weidman took a knee against Gage Msi
believing that Gage would be disqualified and that Chris would win. Well, Chris didn't know the new rule. It was what was called a grounded opponent
and they wrote it ruled it a TKO loss for Chris and a victory uh
in the other direction. So, I'm only sharing for you. I think that that part is a little weird. I don't know why we had to give him five minutes. I do think
that Tom was playing it up. Tom held a napkin on his eye that contained an ice
cube. It wasn't like some magic thing. And I did I'll tell you, Daniel, there's few things that you want to have more in
life than be able to see. If I got something wrong with my eye, I'm not sticking around waiting 5 minutes
cutting interviews to use a bunch of f-words. I'm getting to the back where some kind of a specialist is. Like, this
is going to be a very serious thing, and the show is not going to go on with one eye jail. All of those things just kind
of add to the curiosity of the moment. But I wouldn't hate the idea if Tom refused the the rematch. If Tom was to
come out and say Surreal cheated, I'm not fighting him again. Give me somebody that doesn't cheat. That is a story line
I could get into. That is and I could definitely dig into that cuz that is messy. And you know we love messy. Chill. When something like
this happens though, right, you can give some information, you can give no
information, or you could do what the Aspenol team is doing and give all the
information. I mean, there is a camera following him in the back to the
hospital, to the eye appointment, to his dad's room. Are you of the belief that
you give so much or do you kind of shut it down, close the doors, let people
wonder, and then when you're ready to control the narrative, you come out and make a statement because right now all
the information, Ch, when you and I make these videos, right, we open up ourselves for these
people to take it however they want. You may have a segment of people that takes everything you say about Tom Aspenol as
you giving him advice, right? When I was talking about Jay Elson the other day. One few people were like, "Man, he's
like a big brother motivating a young champion." But then another section of the people talked about how much of a
dirt bag I was for saying what I said. People interpret things however they want by giving that much information. is
Tom and them giving or his team giving too much to for people to uh decipher
and go through because on one section you can be like I'm glad he's showing me all this because he's hurt you can see
it. The other side's like well he's showing us all of this to try and prove that he's hurt when he's really not hurt
right because that's the pessimistic side. So is it too much jail? Do you close the doors on this?
I think that you do. I don't think there's any good way out. Listen, I've never seen a fighter that stopped a fight, make it as far as Tom has. Ju
just to this point, I I I have seen a lot of defensive Tom. I' I've seen a lot of people, good good people. Matt Brown
comes to mind. Ben Folks comes to mind, wrote a whole article on it, does a little free frame with the with the fingers in the eye. I'm not sharing for
you that that feels good, but I know a lot of people that have been poked and I've seen a lot of poking. And if it ever if the eyelid is ever a barrier
between the object that's poking and the eye from my experience, get up and go
on. And and that's one of the thing about the photos that Matt Brown or Ben put out. They stole the photos. Tom's
blinking. Both eyes are closed. Both are getting thug at. I'm sure that didn't feel good. But I cornered Colobby Coington when his eyelid got ripped off.
That piece of skin is now dangling in his eye. And if we don't get him out of there, the best plastic surgeon in the
world might not be able to put him back together again. It's one of these interesting things. We take a guy at his
word. No, nobody is to blame here except for the rules. The rules and the bylaws somewhere say that in the event of an
unintentional illegal as hell, but unintentional that we will then ask the fighters opinion for it.
It doesn't matter. That's crazy. My father got called in one time when I I got in trouble at school. My father was a plumber. He
pulled up in the van with the pipes on top. He's got dirt on. He comes in the school. He's wiping dirt off. He sits down and the principal turns to me and
says, "Now chill, here's what you've done. What do you think we should do about it?" And my father took his cowboy
hat off and he said, "By God, what do you think he should do about it?" He said, "When I left the job site, I
already had this thing figured out. I already know what I'm going to do about what are you turning to a 12year-old
for?" And I very much had a a reminiscent time when they're asking Tom, Tom, so what do
you want to do? Well, gee, you're a licensed doctor. You're working at the discretion of the attorney general.
You've got a badge. You tell me what we're going to do. Yeah, absolutely. I I hated that, man,
because again, it opened him up for all that. It literally opened him up for all of this, and he should not be put in
that situation as a champion. You didn't know who was winning that fight up until that very moment. I thought it was very close. I thought
it was very close, but I thought ser won round one because it's it's damage. It looked
good. So, I mean, serial was bouncing around like Muhammad Ali, but again, he did something illegal, chill. And guess
what? In most instances, when you do something illegal and the fight ends,
you get disqualified. I know there are some statements out there on this where it's like, well, maybe he should have
been disqualified. So, I like your point, but I don't think that that will
be the way that the Aspenol camp plays it where they say we're not going to
fight him again. Um, but Daniel, but Daniel, I I understand they're saying that he broke a rule, but
but excuse me, at anywhere in life, if there's no repercussion, then there's no rule. If there's no citation, then
there's not a law. I mean, you could try that as many times as you want. Don't walk on that side. You'll be in big trouble. Well, what happens if I do?
absolutely nothing but don't do it. Okay. Well, then there's not a rule that I can't go do it. So, we sit here and we
talk about Surreal did something illegal. Well, if it was illegal, then disqualify him. But he wasn't
disqualified. As a matter of fact, the way that I remember it up until that moment, he didn't even have a point
taken away. And I'm highly curious what would have happened if Tom, who is now the oneeyed Jack, has to go out there
and try to fight and he see and doubled. Would have a point gotten taken away? Would have it leveled out a round at 99?
I still don't have that clarity, Daniel. There's nobody to ask because they're letting kids and athletes make the call.
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, honestly, when Tom didn't fight,
you are the heavyweight champion in the world, right? You're obligation, like you said on Monday, is
to walk out of that octagon with the belt. The chances go down tremendously
when you defend that thing with one eye. Right. I know I'm playing devil's advocate.
I fought Stipe Mio for a round and a half after he poked me in the eye, but I wasn't the heavyweight champ anymore. I
knew that was the last time I would make that walk. So, of course, I kept fighting. Tom Aspenol is in a much
different situation. I think that I think he deserves a little bit of grace in this show. I know you are a little
bit of a different thought, but I think he deserves a little grace in this because of
the position that he's in. I think athletes have to be a little smarter. Uh even though it is upsetting to us.
And Daniel, Daniel, if I could just have the final word on that because I do hear myself talking, but but I'm actually tripling over my own words. I'm on the
side of Tom Aspenol. I believe that Tom handled it correctly. What I'm sharing for you is if there isn't a punishment,
in this case, a disqualification or a point deduction, then how do we say that it's illegal? Look, let me explain life
for Surreal Gone. Surreal Gone largely did not belong in that spot. Jon Jones
could take that spot anytime he wanted. Alex Beer could take that spot anytime he wanted. Daniel Cormier could come off
the bench, have that spot anytime uh that he wants. Uh and I'm not done there. Surreal lost to Volkov. He won
the decision, but he lost to Volkov. So Surreal that falls over backwards into this nice bag of candy. Gets a million
dollars for his effort. Yes, that's what he got paid. Got to be on main event on the worldwide leader ESPN fighting for a
world championship. Now Surreal cheated. Surreal ruined that match because he cheated. So what does he get? He gets to
do a rematch for a million dollars on the worldwide leader of ESPN in a main event in the cage for the heavyweight
championship of the world. This is what I'm trying to talk about. If there's not a punishment, then there wasn't a crime.
But there's only two things that you can't do today. Back to the first time they set that acton up in 1993 in
Mobile, Alabama. Don't kick the guy when he's down. Don't poke the son of a in his eyes.
Yeah, absolutely. You're right, Jill. But for all those ways that Surreal backpedalled into that title fight on
that night, he looked like he could potentially be the best heavyweight in the world because he was fighting his
tail off, right? But Tom Aspenol is the heavyweight champ today and he has built a team of guys
that are uh kind of climbing the ranks. That's what you see, right? When you get
a world champion, people start to train in their room. Now, at times that world champion will tell guys in his weight
class, "We ain't doing this." Leon Edwards, you remember when Ian Garrett tried to train with him? They ran him
out of there. They weren't doing it because they knew at some point he could become an issue. Tom Aspenol has a
teammate named Ant Dea. Anti fights this weekend. This weekend
uh at at the Apex, his first fight in the UFC, he had a knockout. Quick, looked real good. PL champion back in
the day. guy has a lot of accolades, but he wins again this weekend, right? If he
can beat Waldo a Costa Cortez, uh, okay, he's number six in the world, we may be
looking at an opportunity for him to potentially be I'm sorry, Daniel, one more time. What was his name?
Ant. It doesn't matter what his name is, Jabroni. If he's fighting on TV and I
haven't heard of him, it doesn't matter what his name is. But Joe, the bigger
point is, is there a bigger point than that? If he wins, he could be in the top five. But he's saying he will not fight Tom
Aspen. Do you ever notice that almost every week we join here together, you tell me hello, and I say, Daniel, I really like
your shirt. Where did you get that? Do you notice that I do a lot of that? That's Anderson or cuz did you notice today? I didn't say
that, did I? You didn't like it. I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm just I'm just showing a commonality that we
have and then I'm Why did you compliment my my my jacket today? I think it's a nice one.
Well, I know that you do. You put it on. I'm just sharing from my perspective where I usually tell you how nicely dressed you are. I noticed that didn't
happen today, though. Did it? Why? Because you cuz I don't say it back. I mean, you're You don't need to ask why. Hey. Hey, look. You look Look at this,
too. Hey, I wear See, I have like this blue shirt and then look,
I wear blue shoes. I wear blue shirt. And I wear you were going with it. All of a sudden, you were just like getting
out of screen, but then I saw the shoe kick up. Hey, you see Jill, you wearing a blue shirt. I wear the blue shoes. Jill,
remember that? Hey, remember when Eric came on here and she had that superfly photo that she You thought maybe she got them on?
God, I asked her husband about it over the weekend. I knew if he watched the show, I knew it
was on his mind since it came out of one of our mouths and he said, "No, man. I'm keeping this girl forever." Turns out he
was like a scholarship athlete for basketball and her husband's in the Hall of Fame for basketball. These are two
studs that went and found each other. That dude ain't going to do any better than I'll tell you right now. I tell you one thing, I don't care what
kind of basketball air play. She ever tried to put a shot up on me, I'm putting that into the second row, man.
I'm blocking that. I don't get that out of my face. Air chill. I'm
not playing that. A Hall of Famer though in basketball. Hey, imagine us kids when they have K. Imagine the kids some
athletes. We going to the NBA air. Hey, we going to the anti-NBA. I'll be up in
there with a t-shirt on with the kid's name. Uncle Daniel coming. But yeah, what do you make of that though?
Teammates not fighting. Is that the question? I'm talking about
how fly air looked. I was talking about cheating somewhere along the way. I was insulting your wardrobe. What do you mean that's the question? Teammates not
fighting. I should be talking to you. That's what Antidia won't fight Tom, but if he wins this
weekend, he'll be in the top five. Antid Lima is not going to be fighting Tom because nobody knows who Antid Lima
is. And by the way, by the way, I'm working a little piece of performance. I actually do know Antid Lima. Antel Lima
is awesome and used to really get thrown. I'm just going to tell the story the way that Tom told it. Used to get
thrown around by Tom, but now does a little of the thrown around. He's actually a pretty good fighter himself. Tom said I would never fight him. But
then Tom made an interesting statement and he said, "If roles were reversed and Antel Lima had the belt, then I would
fight him to take the belt. But because I have it and I've achieved that, I would never fight my friend." And it
kind of came out just a little bit awkward cuz I don't think what Tom meant to say is I would hold an opportunity
back from a friend. But accidentally that is what he said. He accidentally
said he will not be getting the opportunity because he is my buddy. I don't know that I have a thought on it.
One time I've seen it work well and it was recent. I think that that what Aljo and Morab pulled off was actually a
feel-good moment and showed us something about uh sportsmanship and teamwork and it was really a authentic and they
didn't let money get in the way of it. But I come to the school of wrestling and sometimes you ride over to the venue
with the very guy you got to compete with and you ride back home. Sometimes it's even roommates. You're doing ranking matches or things like that. I
would never take an opportunity from a friend, but I also would have a hard time saying I'm a friend if I had
something that I knew he wanted and I didn't give him a chance to get it. That's just me, Daniel. Yeah. Yeah. So, I
a tough spot. He and he's big, right? So, Kane and I situation was different, right? I was small enough to be able to get to 205.
So, I went there partly because I wasn't the right. This guy's a PFL champion and
he's done a lot of things in his career. My career started with Kane Velasquez
and it ended with Kane Velasquez. There was no me having a career prior to
joining the team. I learned everything with him. So for me, it felt impossible
to fight him. Granted, I had wrestled people like you said, but fighting is
different because you're trying to you're trying to end somebody. I mean, for lack of a better word, like you
going there to kill him, and I didn't want to do that with my buddy. And from the first punch that I learned to throw,
he was right there showing me chill. And that would have been much easier to that would have been it would have been much easier for him not to do that than do it
because I was a heavyweight and an Olympian. The same sport that him and I chose to do as amateurs, I was better
at. And when I walked into the room, he still took me under his wing and helped me. He could have said, "This guy's
going to be an issue down the line. Why would I help him?" But instead, he helped me. So that's why I didn't do it.
But I don't know what these guys are going to do, especially if he wins. In 1999, Matt Lynland had no money. He was
an aspiring Olympian. And he found himself a sponsor, my dad. Now, what does that mean? That means my dad pays
for Matt's airline ticket, and he lets him stay in our hotel room so we can go to the Suniss kids. We do that. We're
warming up. Matt comes up to me after reading the brackets that I didn't know had been posted and says, "You sure got a tough one first round." I said,
"Really? Who do I got?" And he goes, "It's an American." He said, "You don't know yet, though, do you?" I said, "No." He goes, "You got me." Now, this is the
absolute pinnacle of fighting a teammate. I mean, I'm fighting a coach, but it's not only a coach, it's a coach
that's only there because my dad paid for him to come. Matt was ahead by nine
points. Okay, one more point. And it is a technical fall for baseball fans. The mercy rule gets invoked. We're in part
Daniel. He decides to pick me up, turn me around, and throw me all through. He at that time, you got one for
appreciation, five for the throw. He ends up beating me by 15 points when the most you could beat a guy by is 10. And
why? Why pick me? Why not just turn me gently? Why pick me up and why plant me on my head? And he said, because I'm
teaching you a lesson. And he said, there ain't no friends between nine and five. Between nine and five, it's
business and one guy takes all. and I didn't want to do that to you. I was a young guy. I was 17 years old. He said, "I didn't want to do that to you, but
I'm glad I did it." So, it kind of just depends where you come from. It kind of just depends what side of the tracks you
were on. But, I came from that school of thought. I would have fought a teammate and I never would have been personal.
That would have been a that that was that's an awesome story because and my dad standing there in the crowd like this and your dad probably
appreciated that he did that for you because it did form you into who you are. It forms you, right? You learn those
lessons that I Hey, you learn those lessons whenever you get your butt kicked by someone that you don't think
you would have imagined probably at a 17- year old kid like Matt would have let you lose 90 and not tech you. But
then when he put the hammer on you like your neck your neck's on the ground, step on it. He stepped on it. You're
like, "Okay, I understand life now. This is life." Crazy, man. That's a great story. And Matt probably was stinking
the whole time, too. Smell that the whole time. pooped all on himself before he walked on the wrestling mat. He's stinking.
Daniel, he didn't smell good to believe. He he believed that soap made you dirty. Like if if you never use soap, then
you'll never need soap. I don't know where that came from. Like if you never use toothpaste, you'll never need toothpaste. And if you never use
deodorant, you'll never need deodorant. I don't know where this came from. This was the big three. But then he starts training with some of the Soviets and
some of the Eastern block countries and he would talk about their hygiene. So he was just trying to match these guys. He
was going overseas. He's coming back. He would shower in the singlet he worked out in, take it off, ring it out, put in
his locker, and then it would kind of like drip dry. Drip dry, excuse me. That's called mildew. The next day, this
wet, dark, damp cloth is mildew. And he couldn't figure out why he couldn't find a workout partner. And all of these
years, I never was the one to tell him. Matt Lyn was a pretty scary guy. He was a scary guy. Chill. I wrestled a
Russian in Colorado Springs. They were training at the OTC. They're washing their
clothes. I beat the crap out of him. We wrestled in the Eurean. He had been home
for a while not showering. This dude beat me, man. I was like, "Yo, he Hey, T. We tied up." I said, "Damn, he stink
real bad today. He He about to beat me. He beat me with the smell." I was like,
"Oh, I'm not beating this dude. His smell is really strong right now." But you're right. It's just the workout
gear. They train. These people train in their stuff, then just go hang it outside after rinsing it. take a shower
in the clothes, hang it up, and think that the clothes is clean. That's not clean. That's disgusting.
That's disgusting. Disgusting. Jill, this Matt Linda would do what was called the twirl. He would be telling you a story.
Like, if I was telling you a story, I'm going to act this out for you. Okay. The the the microphone the microphone is the
shower. We're out here in the lobby and I'm telling you about Tom Aspenol. How how Tom
got poked in the eye over the weekend. That's it. like he'd be he'd he'd be mid-sentence of a story. He would tell
the story. He would do a full shower and be back and not miss a line that it was
called the twirl. Mark Cody at Nebraska and would ask everybody here, "Did you shower?" And he'd say, "Lyn, did you do
the twirl?" He would be drawing. I'm I'm telling you, it was just like that. It couldn't even break up a sentence. He
was in there so fast. Matt Mark Cody's my guy. He coached me, too, at OK. Mark Curry is a tough son of a gun.
He was a tough son of a gun. Real tough. Real tough. Chill. this week in MMA history. Did you think it was going to be cold
today? Like what what what made you put the hood on? I mean, a hood is an interesting choice. If I wear a hood, it's cuz I'm getting ready to go rob
somebody. Do you have something in your future today? It's Do you know you know what the
temperature is this morning? 49°. Hood weather, baby. It's cold, baby. It's cold out.
Forecast hood. Chill. this week in MMA history. All
right. Back in 1925, October, the first Gracie Academy opened in Copa Cabana,
Brazil. 100 years of Grac Gracie Jiujitsu. Chill. What does the Gracie
family meant to the sport? And also, this is a little different one. I don't that somebody at ESPN wrote this because
you and I will probably have the same statement about this. What's it meant to you? It hasn't really meant as much to
me if I'm being completely honest, but I know it's meant something to the sport, but go ahead.
Well, I I love it. I love what they've done. I even love the family infighting where some think it's Helio and some
think it's Carlos. I love some of the infighting that you see between uh between Henzo and you see between Rener.
I mean, things things uh do seem to turn pretty quickly, but for the family to come over with with such a simple
marketing plan, they were going to put on something called the UFC. And all that was going to do, they weren't in
the business of getting sponsors or getting on TV or even selling merchandise. All they were going to do
is to explain to the world, if you're going to choose a martial art, make sure you choose one that actually works and
we can prove that this one works. It was a marketing plan. So, from that perspective, for them to be able to put
their money where their mouth is. I mean, UFC 2, people people when they read this, they they see it wrong cuz they only showed three fights. And back
then, it was a a VHS cassette, but it was actually a 16-man bracket for UFC 2. It's the only time they did a 16-man
bracket. But Hoy Gracie had to get up, walk outside four times. You get up and
you walk outside in a no rules fight four times in one evening. For the rest of your life, it will be Mr. Gracie from
me. Yeah. Absolutely. That that's what it means to me. in the sport watching them
as a family march to that octagon and go and get the job done, but that's it. Like I mean I don't have this like great
fond attachment to Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. It's everywhere. I appreciate their
business model, but I mean I there is so much jiu-jitsu chill. I don't know the difference between Gracie jiu-jitsu,
American jiu-jitsu. They have they're called American jiu-jitsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu. It's like there's just so
much of it. But they can always be credited with being the first the first to the table that set the standard for
what highlevel grappling would be. And you're right, for the rest of my life, I'll respect Hoy Gracie for doing what
he did on that day. Who did you look up to, Daniel, when you got into the sport? Who did you look to and go, "Wow, that guy's good."
Fighting Kane Velasquez. I was like, "Yo, this dude is crazy, man." But you never saw that like
before you even got in the sport. That's who you Yeah. George St. Pierre. I thought George St. Pierre was amazing, bro. I
was like, "Oh, this dude is good." You ever work out with him? Nope. Never did. He He was like because I watched him I
think I watched him take down Josh Cost in that first fight where they went three rounds and it was one round a piece and Josh tried to baragar him
where he took the single, pulled him, ran it. Josh did it to everybody even at
the NCAA level. And George St. Pierre stuffed the head float in his hips and I was like, "Oh my god, he actually knows
how to wrestle." I knew he knew how to wrestle. I was like, "This dude is good." George St. Pierre was the guy I
was like, man, this dude is really, really good at this. He's figured it out and he's uh that's why he's one of the
greatest of all time. All right, chill. Hey, have a good weekend, my friend. I will see you on Monday for the bad guy
chill summoning. I'm Daniel Cormier. Peace.